1 00:00:10,870 --> 00:00:07,309 I suppose are the impossible whatever 2 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:10,880 remains however improbable must be true 3 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:13,920 and it is not a question of a little 4 00:00:18,769 --> 00:00:15,929 competition or a touch of mysticism 5 00:00:21,910 --> 00:00:18,779 together it is vampires there's a host 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:30,570 I thought the spirit to desert 7 00:00:39,549 --> 00:00:34,030 the old gods are dead and one of the 8 00:00:41,590 --> 00:00:39,559 true God he's dead can't complain people 9 00:00:43,810 --> 00:00:41,600 assume the time is a strict progression 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:43,820 of cause to prevent an action from a 11 00:00:47,860 --> 00:00:45,890 nonlinear non-subjective viewpoint it's 12 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:47,870 more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly 13 00:00:57,189 --> 00:00:52,910 timey-wimey stuff you're listening to 14 00:00:59,229 --> 00:00:57,199 paranormal UK radio hey everyone this is 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:00:59,239 Aaron Adam block the host of the 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:01,850 paranormal UK radio show the flagship 17 00:01:08,859 --> 00:01:06,130 show of the paranormal UK radio network 18 00:01:11,830 --> 00:01:08,869 and with me today I'm afraid 19 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:11,840 mark is still not available so which is 20 00:01:23,740 --> 00:01:17,720 lucky for me lucky for me my co-host 21 00:01:28,090 --> 00:01:23,750 tonight once again is Andy Mercer how 22 00:01:30,279 --> 00:01:28,100 you doing yeah I'm pretty good secure 23 00:01:32,050 --> 00:01:30,289 them it should be interesting evening so 24 00:01:34,330 --> 00:01:32,060 I'm happy to be here with you again I'm 25 00:01:36,010 --> 00:01:34,340 covering for good old Mark he's just a 26 00:01:38,469 --> 00:01:36,020 workaholic you poor guy can't get time 27 00:01:42,670 --> 00:01:38,479 off so after step into the breaches at 28 00:01:44,590 --> 00:01:42,680 web right yes I don't get the time off 29 00:01:47,649 --> 00:01:44,600 but it's like a blasted holiday to me 30 00:01:48,490 --> 00:01:47,659 you know not having him breathing down 31 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:48,500 my neck 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:52,840 uh-huh I'm sure you appreciate that yeah 33 00:02:01,770 --> 00:01:56,090 well this is their first show back since 34 00:02:04,410 --> 00:02:01,780 when was it sometime before Christmas 35 00:02:06,999 --> 00:02:04,420 because of authority our shows 36 00:02:08,740 --> 00:02:07,009 recordings and broadcasts falls what 37 00:02:10,650 --> 00:02:08,750 about Christmas and then a new year so 38 00:02:12,699 --> 00:02:10,660 of course we could really do much yeah 39 00:02:15,310 --> 00:02:12,709 couple of weeks off and here we are 40 00:02:17,259 --> 00:02:15,320 bragging that's right and we're all 41 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:17,269 getting merry and pickled at Christmas 42 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:19,730 so you know we couldn't have done a show 43 00:02:29,620 --> 00:02:26,030 if we wanted to indeed okay now 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:29,630 tonight's show right this is gonna be 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:32,090 very very interesting people and you're 46 00:02:41,589 --> 00:02:33,890 gonna have to bear with me because I am 47 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:41,599 not 100% up on this particular event I'm 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:42,920 not a you I'm 49 00:02:49,059 --> 00:02:46,010 into UFOs although we do do a lot of 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:49,069 shows on UFOs I am NOT actually myself 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:53,330 into UFOs like the first books but 52 00:03:00,250 --> 00:02:56,810 tonight what we're doing is we are going 53 00:03:02,290 --> 00:03:00,260 to do a show on or first in a series of 54 00:03:04,390 --> 00:03:02,300 shows let me put it this way on 55 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:04,400 Rendlesham on the Rendlesham forest 56 00:03:13,630 --> 00:03:09,920 incident and my guest with me tonight by 57 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:13,640 the way we're coming from America which 58 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:16,640 is good isn't it yeah we're not in 59 00:03:34,930 --> 00:03:29,510 America I was gonna teach the family 60 00:03:37,660 --> 00:03:34,940 anyway my guests and I are from one of 61 00:03:40,539 --> 00:03:37,670 the shows that gonna play a patch plays 62 00:03:44,949 --> 00:03:40,549 out on their network it's Matt Melones 63 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:44,959 and military x-files and we have with us 64 00:03:53,229 --> 00:03:49,600 today Mack Maloney one of the great 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:53,239 hosts of all time as far as I'm 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:55,250 concerned and Mack is an author he's got 67 00:04:02,759 --> 00:03:58,370 over 40 books he served as a consultant 68 00:04:05,830 --> 00:04:02,769 for a research firm working in the US 69 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:05,840 intelligence agencies and he's a member 70 00:04:11,130 --> 00:04:07,910 of a rock band Sky Club and I can tell 71 00:04:23,620 --> 00:04:11,140 you they are good they are bloody good 72 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:23,630 yeah before you say hello you're just 73 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:24,610 speechless 74 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:29,340 it's just like the band 75 00:04:42,470 --> 00:04:40,620 I can only write me to star okay Wow one 76 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:42,480 mom has been secretive because most of 77 00:04:47,150 --> 00:04:45,510 his military pass is undisclosed and I 78 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:47,160 haven't yet been able to get my hands on 79 00:04:51,290 --> 00:04:49,410 anything because by military stuff has 80 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:51,300 been mostly underwater ah 81 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:53,610 yes you've worked in the anti-submarine 82 00:05:15,290 --> 00:04:57,930 warfare and stuff what my BAE okay never 83 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:15,300 say that would want an about domestic 84 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:17,460 spying programs with you but we won't go 85 00:05:37,850 --> 00:05:35,130 there just as interest in issue 2 just 86 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:37,860 as interesting and he's been with you 87 00:05:43,580 --> 00:05:40,680 for a number of years now I believe on 88 00:05:45,830 --> 00:05:43,590 the mere Mac Maloney military x-files 89 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:45,840 I'll say it again everybody that mike 90 00:05:52,150 --> 00:05:48,330 maloney and military x-files can be 91 00:05:56,060 --> 00:05:52,160 heard on the paranormal UK radio network 92 00:05:59,060 --> 00:05:56,070 and that's Steve Walt and Steve is a 93 00:06:01,700 --> 00:05:59,070 very knowledgeable authority on classic 94 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:01,710 UFO cases so he's going to come in very 95 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:05,130 very handy here I want your Smith I hope 96 00:06:07,969 --> 00:06:05,610 so 97 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:07,979 although I will confess that Rendlesham 98 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:10,380 may not be the the one I know the most 99 00:06:20,020 --> 00:06:13,080 about so I will be coasting occasionally 100 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:22,909 we'll see Mac Mac discovered me I was 101 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:24,960 living in a storm drain in Sausalito and 102 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:26,850 he made me what I am today 103 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:33,570 Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys right I 104 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:36,570 also spent some time underwater I was in 105 00:06:41,719 --> 00:06:39,570 the in the Navy but I was inspired as a 106 00:06:42,540 --> 00:06:41,729 young man by the if you know the 107 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:42,550 classics 108 00:06:47,790 --> 00:06:46,270 yes Fiasco in Michigan where dr. J Allen 109 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:47,800 Hynek you know they've got that show 110 00:06:51,330 --> 00:06:49,330 starting I don't know if it's gonna be 111 00:06:55,020 --> 00:06:51,340 airing in the UK or not Project Blue 112 00:06:56,940 --> 00:06:55,030 Book when they're kind of retelling very 113 00:06:59,100 --> 00:06:56,950 fanciful II what happened back then but 114 00:07:02,520 --> 00:06:59,110 kind of making dr. J Allen Hynek who was 115 00:07:04,170 --> 00:07:02,530 a very kind soul more of an action hero 116 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:04,180 but anyway hey Steve what do you want 117 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:05,740 their payroll all of a sudden launches 118 00:07:13,170 --> 00:07:11,050 into the if I don't get something in now 119 00:07:19,950 --> 00:07:13,180 if you won't hear from me again but 120 00:07:21,330 --> 00:07:19,960 anyway that's really good Steven you're 121 00:07:23,970 --> 00:07:21,340 gonna have to talk to me so at some 122 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:23,980 point about that because I am interested 123 00:07:27,690 --> 00:07:26,020 in that you know I just got to say that 124 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:27,700 Steve lives in Battle Creek Michigan 125 00:07:31,890 --> 00:07:29,560 which is I don't know if you know but 126 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:31,900 that's where they make all the great 127 00:07:38,420 --> 00:07:34,330 American cereals like cornflakes frosted 128 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:38,430 flakes Cheerios shredder.we right Stevie 129 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:41,440 yeah yeah you ever watched cartoons as a 130 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:44,230 kid if you ever had imports and from 131 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:46,650 America we they're they're all you know 132 00:07:54,090 --> 00:07:49,710 sponsored by Kellogg's and post 133 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:54,100 General Mills no I cannot understand you 134 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:55,510 know what one of the biggest mysteries 135 00:08:00,420 --> 00:07:57,850 of these cereals now especially 136 00:08:02,550 --> 00:08:00,430 Kellogg's pulls rice why don't they put 137 00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:02,560 a little toy in the middle anymore in 138 00:08:12,140 --> 00:08:10,720 the packet cost too much money makes 139 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:12,150 everyone just to get the little thing 140 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:14,770 inside well I thought that was Cracker 141 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:15,370 Jacks 142 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:17,050 no no they used to do them with a Mme 143 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:18,940 did you get them in frosted flakes T's 144 00:08:34,650 --> 00:08:33,130 yes sir oh yeah there's a health risk if 145 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:34,660 you put stuff in and just kids will 146 00:08:42,660 --> 00:08:40,630 smile now if Willy Wonka was running 147 00:08:45,250 --> 00:08:42,670 that enterprise we wouldn't have that 148 00:08:57,310 --> 00:08:45,260 situation if Johnny Depp as Willy 149 00:08:59,050 --> 00:08:57,320 I think they've got a bit crazy with 150 00:09:01,180 --> 00:08:59,060 this health business you know they put 151 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:01,190 other stuff in there that's not good for 152 00:09:08,590 --> 00:09:03,890 you so a little bit tie in there in a 153 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:08,600 plastic bag on your cornflakes no thanks 154 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:11,120 Ike and then the plastic bag says don't 155 00:09:22,660 --> 00:09:13,160 swallow the toy and then the plastic bag 156 00:09:24,190 --> 00:09:22,670 says this is not a toy this is not some 157 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:24,200 of those toys now that we're in these 158 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:26,210 cereal packets are worth something 159 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:28,610 yes yeah yeah you bet especially if you 160 00:09:33,210 --> 00:09:30,290 didn't open up the little pack if it was 161 00:09:42,550 --> 00:09:33,220 just if it's still in the pack no yeah 162 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:42,560 what was I thinking back then this is 163 00:09:55,690 --> 00:09:44,570 showing that we're all about the same 164 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:55,700 age group but you know my son's and 165 00:09:59,470 --> 00:09:57,650 people of that age and thinking what the 166 00:10:00,640 --> 00:09:59,480 hell are they talking about toys and 167 00:10:03,850 --> 00:10:00,650 cereal pockets 168 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:03,860 yeah right yeah but people it did happen 169 00:10:10,270 --> 00:10:06,530 it really did happen we used to get toys 170 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:10,280 in the cereal packets to give you 171 00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:12,410 presents when you filled up with gas not 172 00:10:15,010 --> 00:10:13,760 they're really good on this road a long 173 00:10:17,110 --> 00:10:15,020 way but you know they give you like a 174 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:17,120 set of six glasses if you went on your 175 00:10:25,810 --> 00:10:22,670 way they used to pump it for you why 176 00:10:28,150 --> 00:10:25,820 should window look at your oils take 177 00:10:30,370 --> 00:10:28,160 your tires I know I went to the gas 178 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:30,380 station for a little while you remember 179 00:10:46,830 --> 00:10:33,410 S&H stamps S&H Green Stamps when he went 180 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:49,800 [Music] 181 00:10:59,420 --> 00:10:55,430 tell you a little story when I watching 182 00:11:01,280 --> 00:10:59,430 this petrol station for a while right we 183 00:11:04,070 --> 00:11:01,290 used to give out these green stems so I 184 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:04,080 need to roll I took it home my mother 185 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:16,250 oh yeah we used and the nuns would tell 186 00:11:19,850 --> 00:11:18,270 us bring in the green stamps for that 187 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:19,860 you know and they would fill up you know 188 00:11:24,140 --> 00:11:22,170 honge is a book so fella not yet like a 189 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:24,150 thousand stamps in them they haven't 190 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:25,440 watch them you see them tooling around 191 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:38,490 on a new cold enough to remember the 192 00:11:44,590 --> 00:11:40,650 Beatles coming to America I was in high 193 00:11:54,170 --> 00:11:44,600 school there's my age right there okay 194 00:11:59,540 --> 00:11:54,180 queuing stone-age yes my dad let me go 195 00:12:00,950 --> 00:11:59,550 oh no maybe but waste it terrible he 196 00:12:04,850 --> 00:12:00,960 said you're not going there screaming 197 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:04,860 your lungs out Wow instead he had to buy 198 00:12:21,980 --> 00:12:19,150 on v-j records soon I wasn't really yep 199 00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:21,990 it was right up there with Please Please 200 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:35,100 Me Top of the Pops back in 1973 when I 201 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:37,650 was sitting some relatives well here's 202 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:39,990 the props in a jail and Thailand for a 203 00:12:52,130 --> 00:12:49,350 while I think right away anyway shall we 204 00:12:54,170 --> 00:12:52,140 get on with this and where do we start 205 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:54,180 come on people where do we stop you know 206 00:12:59,230 --> 00:12:58,290 Rendlesham forest it was a us a case 207 00:13:02,030 --> 00:12:59,240 wasn't it 208 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:02,040 I can give a thumbnail of it if you want 209 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:04,050 I think a good way to start that she'd 210 00:13:07,970 --> 00:13:05,070 get so many 211 00:13:10,010 --> 00:13:07,980 summary of what is generally known about 212 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:10,020 it you know in the early eighties 213 00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:12,930 there's these two bases in England US 214 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:17,220 bases Renderman and Bentwaters Steve you 215 00:13:22,370 --> 00:13:18,990 jump in and correct me if I goof up okay 216 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:22,380 okay I also have an interesting when you 217 00:13:26,540 --> 00:13:24,810 we get to it kind of a side angle on the 218 00:13:27,950 --> 00:13:26,550 whole time ago so what side angles on 219 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:27,960 the story that's what strange about it 220 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:30,000 but like they were there were these it 221 00:13:34,010 --> 00:13:31,650 was Christmastime a lot of the troops 222 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:34,020 were away now you know one of the side 223 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:35,550 angles is that they had nuclear weapons 224 00:13:39,050 --> 00:13:37,290 at these two bases and they weren't 225 00:13:41,090 --> 00:13:39,060 supposed to have nuclear weapons you 226 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:41,100 know in the UK but that's the young 227 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:43,260 neither yet and they have the story but 228 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:44,550 in anyway so it was around Christmastime 229 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:46,890 in these are the guys who had to stay 230 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:49,650 behind some of them are at this kind of 231 00:13:54,830 --> 00:13:52,290 a gate security gate and they saw in the 232 00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:54,840 woods Rendlesham forest what they first 233 00:13:58,730 --> 00:13:56,580 thought was a Christmas tree because it 234 00:14:00,440 --> 00:13:58,740 had kind of multi colored lights right 235 00:14:02,390 --> 00:14:00,450 and that was their first thought and 236 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:02,400 then it grew brighter and brighter and 237 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:04,050 they were convinced that an airplane had 238 00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:06,570 crashed into the woods there so few of 239 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:10,950 them went out and and they saw these 240 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:13,290 strange lights in the woods that they 241 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:14,910 couldn't explain and really kind of 242 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:17,850 freaked them out so they reported back 243 00:14:22,850 --> 00:14:20,910 to the higher-ups let's say and the 244 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:22,860 higher-ups just you know who knows what 245 00:14:28,190 --> 00:14:24,510 they did with it then a day went by then 246 00:14:31,190 --> 00:14:28,200 the following day they saw the same 247 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:31,200 thing again and at that point one of the 248 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:34,710 offices at Rendlesham his name was 249 00:14:39,020 --> 00:14:36,690 called Colonel Hall I think was a major 250 00:14:40,220 --> 00:14:39,030 at the time but who knows he went to the 251 00:14:41,810 --> 00:14:40,230 commander of the base and said hey 252 00:14:44,390 --> 00:14:41,820 listen they're seeing strange lights out 253 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:44,400 in the woods again in the commander said 254 00:14:49,340 --> 00:14:46,710 to him you go out with them and find out 255 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:49,350 what's going on right so he does and he 256 00:14:55,070 --> 00:14:51,510 brings with them the tape recorder okay 257 00:14:57,740 --> 00:14:55,080 now he has said that he says I was the 258 00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:57,750 guy at the at the base was supposed to 259 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:00,000 be bought these things okay and when 260 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:01,530 this is what happened to him he went out 261 00:15:04,970 --> 00:15:03,120 there and he's with a couple of guys so 262 00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:04,980 he's the resident skeptic right exactly 263 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:06,870 yeah whether whether he whatever he sees 264 00:15:12,530 --> 00:15:10,620 you know and he and you can hear his 265 00:15:14,450 --> 00:15:12,540 experience on the tape on the tape 266 00:15:16,490 --> 00:15:14,460 people and he says we're looking at this 267 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:16,500 huge I it's in the middle of the fire so 268 00:15:20,449 --> 00:15:18,660 it looks like a big eye blinking 269 00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:20,459 there's another weight over here there's 270 00:15:24,379 --> 00:15:22,920 another light over here and you can you 271 00:15:26,449 --> 00:15:24,389 can hear it in his voice and they have a 272 00:15:28,369 --> 00:15:26,459 sky scope which is like an early night 273 00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:28,379 vision and I looking at it and they're 274 00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:32,220 freaking out and in in and it's recorded 275 00:15:36,739 --> 00:15:33,660 and you can hear it on the Internet 276 00:15:40,189 --> 00:15:36,749 alright and it's the most real kind of 277 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:40,199 UFO a strange paranormal witness thing 278 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:41,970 you've ever heard because it's it's him 279 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:43,350 talking you can hear the emotion isn't 280 00:15:46,939 --> 00:15:44,910 waste and so on and so forth and then 281 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:46,949 you know the government you know just 282 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:49,529 denied it all it kind of went away it 283 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:51,649 turns out that not far from the base 284 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:55,290 there was an NSA listening post there 285 00:16:00,049 --> 00:15:56,610 was a lot of kind of spooky things 286 00:16:01,309 --> 00:16:00,059 around there and and that was the story 287 00:16:03,769 --> 00:16:01,319 but many books have been written about 288 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:03,779 it lectures and so on and so forth of 289 00:16:07,999 --> 00:16:05,550 you know be kind of just what happened 290 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:08,009 but it's just affected me it's just the 291 00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,809 fact that that you hear guys tape 292 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:11,519 acquitted voice as he's seen these 293 00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,290 really weird things in the woods it's 294 00:16:17,239 --> 00:16:15,839 it's just very compelling yeah I think I 295 00:16:19,340 --> 00:16:17,249 think Nick Pope has written the 296 00:16:21,139 --> 00:16:19,350 definitive book on this and there is he 297 00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:21,149 does have some of the transcripts in 298 00:16:25,369 --> 00:16:22,740 there like you were talking about Mac of 299 00:16:27,499 --> 00:16:25,379 what they were witnessing I think two of 300 00:16:31,549 --> 00:16:27,509 the principal's who also contribute to 301 00:16:34,999 --> 00:16:31,559 this book was Jim Penniston and John 302 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:35,009 Burroughs Jim actually went up there and 303 00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:37,649 touched the object and he could actually 304 00:16:42,319 --> 00:16:40,139 feel it was very it was completely quiet 305 00:16:45,249 --> 00:16:42,329 he can feel like some kind of energy or 306 00:16:47,929 --> 00:16:45,259 vibration he saw they saw a strange 307 00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:47,939 lettering or markings you know around it 308 00:16:52,569 --> 00:16:50,639 that they said looks something like you 309 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:52,579 know hieroglyphics are just something 310 00:16:59,299 --> 00:16:56,730 undecipherable and there it is I recall 311 00:17:01,549 --> 00:16:59,309 their their memories of exactly what 312 00:17:03,319 --> 00:17:01,559 happened aren't perfect and they even 313 00:17:04,850 --> 00:17:03,329 lost a little bit of time about 45 314 00:17:07,579 --> 00:17:04,860 minutes where they had kind of a lapse 315 00:17:11,779 --> 00:17:07,589 now this is a kind of a small craft it's 316 00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:11,789 basically triangular but it a kind of 317 00:17:17,689 --> 00:17:14,459 peaked up on the top a little bit like a 318 00:17:19,939 --> 00:17:17,699 pyramid and it seems to me that the 319 00:17:22,130 --> 00:17:19,949 there's been a huge controversy there 320 00:17:23,269 --> 00:17:22,140 some said okay well this is obviously 321 00:17:27,529 --> 00:17:23,279 there you know there were several 322 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:27,539 witnesses this was not a hoax but and 323 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:29,490 though you know it when you took off it 324 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:31,690 it very slow 325 00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:34,720 raised up off the ground and then took 326 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:35,920 off like a shot 327 00:17:40,350 --> 00:17:37,690 ferry whatever it was very 328 00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:40,360 unconventional type of craft but of 329 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:43,120 course the big controversy is was it you 330 00:17:49,290 --> 00:17:45,250 know some kind of super high-tech black 331 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:49,300 ops you know device or was it 332 00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:52,150 extraterrestrial and that that rages to 333 00:17:56,340 --> 00:17:54,160 this day and they were following and if 334 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:56,350 you could imagine it in in the following 335 00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,210 through the woods you know they they're 336 00:18:01,650 --> 00:18:00,160 yeah it's just ahead of them and it just 337 00:18:04,050 --> 00:18:01,660 connects and there's patches of this 338 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:04,060 terrain right now they're drawings of 339 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:09,250 the drugs that night okay read up on 340 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:18,240 this WWWE in red path calm all the 341 00:18:24,330 --> 00:18:20,590 statements on there that were made and 342 00:18:27,450 --> 00:18:24,340 everything there was a bloody UFO 343 00:18:31,290 --> 00:18:27,460 activity over the base in the days 344 00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:31,300 following on this but the fact that this 345 00:18:35,370 --> 00:18:33,910 as I said they're kind of playing hide 346 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:35,380 and seek with this thing in a very 347 00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:38,140 heavily forested area you know and then 348 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:40,990 when they finally saw it got close to it 349 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:42,640 and as one of the guys says he touched 350 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:44,350 it and someone had lettuce on it and 351 00:18:49,410 --> 00:18:46,690 everything and then I was I'm it's gone 352 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:49,420 you know yeah and it's like well this is 353 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:51,190 the MIT this is the early eighties now 354 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:52,690 III don't think you could do that today 355 00:18:58,530 --> 00:18:55,210 frankly to to match the description of 356 00:19:00,300 --> 00:18:58,540 what these people saw you know so but in 357 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:00,310 like I said was it was just an 358 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,260 interesting place with these two bases 359 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:04,240 there with nuclear weapons that 360 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,530 shouldn't have been there this is the 361 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:07,600 early 80 the Reagan years you know 362 00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:09,250 there's a whole lot of that gyro doom 363 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:11,950 stuff going on and then they say 364 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:13,750 listening station you know right now 365 00:19:19,470 --> 00:19:17,410 right nearby you know so something like 366 00:19:21,180 --> 00:19:19,480 that was gonna happen in a place like 367 00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:21,190 you know it would happen in a place like 368 00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:22,960 that I would see someone looking in I 369 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:24,100 mean what else are they doing I'm 370 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,410 looking in on us okay now can I throw a 371 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:28,960 wrench in all this yes please or maybe I 372 00:19:36,270 --> 00:19:32,710 should say a spanner okay okay 373 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:36,280 anyway this is now American there is 374 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:37,930 there is a book we're trying to be 375 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:45,820 now I don't really have a dog in this 376 00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,410 fight I don't know what happened there 377 00:19:53,410 --> 00:19:50,480 but this is very interesting there's a 378 00:19:55,660 --> 00:19:53,420 book called remote viewing UFOs and the 379 00:19:59,260 --> 00:19:55,670 visitors by and I'm gonna murder this 380 00:20:01,300 --> 00:19:59,270 guy's name unfortunately tonday a Tundra 381 00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:01,310 something like that and I apologize 382 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:05,360 right now for its growing again he set 383 00:20:11,770 --> 00:20:07,490 up some new guys are probably familiar 384 00:20:13,090 --> 00:20:11,780 with the remote viewing that was done by 385 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:13,100 the US military 386 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,290 there were several military remote 387 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:17,360 viewers this was set up by Ingo Swann 388 00:20:22,990 --> 00:20:21,290 the great singer many years ago and by 389 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:23,000 familiar with the name Joe McMahon ago 390 00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,440 yes absolutely one of the best because 391 00:20:34,690 --> 00:20:29,840 his record is is phenomenal 392 00:20:37,290 --> 00:20:34,700 well that's gentleman tonday and he 393 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:37,300 actually tasked kill Nick mcmoneagle 394 00:20:41,770 --> 00:20:39,710 several times out of his own pocket 395 00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:41,780 because Joe doesn't do this you know he 396 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:42,590 does this for a living 397 00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:45,530 and he showed you this Rendlesham forest 398 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:48,980 as a double-blind target he had no idea 399 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:51,050 what this was and didn't get feedback 400 00:20:58,120 --> 00:20:53,810 from it yeah it's fascinating because 401 00:21:07,900 --> 00:20:58,130 this guy goes through the all the way 402 00:21:11,530 --> 00:21:07,910 means that right right exactly exactly 403 00:21:13,690 --> 00:21:11,540 so so he gets this the envelope and it's 404 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:13,700 it's the in there there's there's Circle 405 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:16,130 questions like you know describe the 406 00:21:19,540 --> 00:21:17,210 area 407 00:21:22,570 --> 00:21:19,550 you know describe what's going on and so 408 00:21:24,010 --> 00:21:22,580 forth and and you know describe yeah I 409 00:21:27,030 --> 00:21:24,020 don't know what he actually used the 410 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:27,040 term energy or whatever at a rate he 411 00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:29,330 McGonagall it gets the idea I mean he 412 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:32,600 describes the general area of Rendlesham 413 00:21:37,540 --> 00:21:34,130 of the forest and the rolling hills 414 00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:37,550 surrounding it and so forth and then his 415 00:21:43,390 --> 00:21:40,550 drawing is remarkably close to what they 416 00:21:45,490 --> 00:21:43,400 they saw at Rhett Rendlesham you know 417 00:21:49,210 --> 00:21:45,500 kind of triangular he got the pyramidal 418 00:21:50,770 --> 00:21:49,220 shape on top and he got the the 419 00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:50,780 impression he talked about it having 420 00:21:55,950 --> 00:21:54,080 three opaque reflective sides about six 421 00:21:58,860 --> 00:21:55,960 foot by four foot 422 00:22:00,750 --> 00:21:58,870 it was vibrating at a low frequency and 423 00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:00,760 he talked about the you know that's some 424 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,440 kind of radiation mark in fact when they 425 00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:04,960 check the radiation afterwards it was in 426 00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:06,510 the radiation was in a perfect 427 00:22:12,930 --> 00:22:09,070 equilateral triangle underneath where 428 00:22:15,330 --> 00:22:12,940 the object rested so now here's the 429 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:15,340 thing his and then the aunt was asked 430 00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:17,110 about what was the origin of this 431 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:18,100 situation 432 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:21,010 Joe mcmoneagle impression was that it 433 00:22:27,030 --> 00:22:23,590 was terrestrial it was a flight test 434 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:27,040 involving reentry from a some kind of an 435 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:31,360 another overhead craft and he said if 436 00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,610 the impression was that something went 437 00:22:39,930 --> 00:22:35,679 wrong something went badly but it was 438 00:22:42,540 --> 00:22:39,940 that the general idea was to deploy this 439 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:42,550 and to check the reactions of those 440 00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:46,450 people around there now you know that 441 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:48,100 mean that's phenomenal if that's true 442 00:22:57,180 --> 00:22:50,410 this is back in that in the end the 80s 443 00:22:58,620 --> 00:22:57,190 really did have is that a lot of this is 444 00:23:00,600 --> 00:22:58,630 out there is particularly on that 445 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:00,610 website I was telling you a lot of this 446 00:23:05,790 --> 00:23:02,170 about the energy there's certain the 447 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:05,800 other but he reported is out there but 448 00:23:09,570 --> 00:23:07,450 if he was working double-blind and I 449 00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:09,580 know as a remote viewer that if you're 450 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:12,580 not told what your target is and he 451 00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:14,830 comes up with something like this then 452 00:23:19,770 --> 00:23:18,400 that is remarkable right he couldn't 453 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:19,780 have read it previously because he 454 00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:22,450 didn't know what it was gonna be you 455 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:25,300 know back then starting in the I don't 456 00:23:29,150 --> 00:23:26,740 wanna be the bucket of cold water here 457 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:29,160 but just one possible explanation is 458 00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:31,450 back then what they used to they used to 459 00:23:35,549 --> 00:23:34,150 have these satellites spy satellites in 460 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:35,559 one I don't know about this I'm sure 461 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:38,290 Almaty Neil - they used to eject 462 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:41,020 literally eject the film from orbit it 463 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:43,570 would come down and they would have a 464 00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,450 like a c-130 Hercules with a hook in the 465 00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:49,120 front of it actually picked them up in 466 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:51,460 mid-flight okay and that's how they 467 00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:53,530 would recover you know is literally 468 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:56,200 filming so recovered so Naboo is that 469 00:24:00,030 --> 00:23:58,690 way - stuff like that okay so now it's 470 00:24:03,390 --> 00:24:00,040 all video who knows what the hell it is 471 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:03,400 now but I'm wondering if you know that 472 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:04,990 explanation has something to do with 473 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:06,610 something like that but certainly if 474 00:24:09,150 --> 00:24:08,290 they didn't catch it the thing is just 475 00:24:11,070 --> 00:24:09,160 going to crash the 476 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:11,080 it's not gonna float around it's not 477 00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:12,490 gonna play hide-and-seek with these guys 478 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:14,560 in the flowers and it's certainly not 479 00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,110 gonna take off you know in the blink of 480 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:18,640 an eye you know that's why it just 481 00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,050 sounds like whatever they saw was 482 00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:22,960 something not only was it not 1980s 483 00:24:29,790 --> 00:24:27,460 technology but I don't think it was it 484 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:29,800 was if we're doing stuff back in the 80s 485 00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,650 that you know we would still amaze us 486 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:35,200 today and it might shed light not I mean 487 00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:37,570 there are many of these triangle 488 00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:39,220 sightings in the 80s and 90s over 489 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:41,800 upstate New York over a busy freeway 490 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:43,570 people stopping to see these things 491 00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:46,750 perhaps in some cases they aren't et 492 00:24:51,540 --> 00:24:48,790 perhaps they are just some way out 493 00:24:55,170 --> 00:24:51,550 technology that we have no idea but the 494 00:24:57,090 --> 00:24:55,180 the the conclusion that my monocle came 495 00:24:59,760 --> 00:24:57,100 up with was that the primary mission of 496 00:25:01,980 --> 00:24:59,770 this device was to test launch and 497 00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:01,990 commit an evasive flight with recovery 498 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:04,420 operations under cover of darkness and 499 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:07,890 then to you know check to see what the 500 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:11,770 response was so but but some of it I 501 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:13,690 mean that at one point they said you 502 00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:14,890 know they've been a lot of sightings 503 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:17,350 afterwards that at one point this 504 00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:19,510 lightness guy seemed to separate in four 505 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:21,790 different sections I don't know what 506 00:25:27,090 --> 00:25:23,740 kind of its if it says some kind of a 507 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:27,100 illusion or or you know sleight of hand 508 00:25:34,890 --> 00:25:33,130 but but you know another thing Mac you 509 00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:34,900 I'm sure you know about is that there 510 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:37,960 were some illnesses I mean the the men 511 00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:41,550 especially the two men that initially 512 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:44,820 were in close contact with this object 513 00:25:52,020 --> 00:25:49,990 Jim Penniston didn't yes records 514 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:52,030 disappeared yes 515 00:25:56,370 --> 00:25:54,010 yeah there's definitely a lot of stories 516 00:25:58,410 --> 00:25:56,380 you know around it you know what Peter 517 00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,420 Robbins who was a friend of the show is 518 00:26:01,820 --> 00:26:00,640 someone who has spent a lot of time and 519 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:01,830 have 520 00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:04,050 and anxiety I'm sure he would tell you 521 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:05,580 over you know writing a book I think 522 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:08,370 it's called take a left you know this 523 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:23,870 yeah you know in in you know it's just 524 00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:25,320 like was well all of a sudden you know 525 00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:28,620 you have you know this odd story let's 526 00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:30,180 say I think render some is odder than 527 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:32,700 than rise but what you have it and then 528 00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:34,290 all of a sudden people keep smiling the 529 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:36,420 one piling on and you know this books 530 00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:39,390 about don't want to jump on the 531 00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:41,790 bandwagon you know but Peter Robinson it 532 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:46,980 wasn't his fault or not to the Peter 533 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:54,510 Robinson BBC Nissen party in that you 534 00:27:01,490 --> 00:26:58,050 know but but see in my opinion just some 535 00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:01,500 you know officer in the USF was at a 536 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:03,390 secret base a base that's not supposed 537 00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:05,430 to be there on a tape recording seeing 538 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,620 something in the flowers playing hi to 539 00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:09,840 see that I mean that's amazing enough 540 00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:12,390 you know I don't need you know a million 541 00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:14,820 base underneath the place you know also 542 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,160 on that particular night one of those 543 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:18,960 particular nights there was a Russian 544 00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:21,980 reentry Russian rocket pre-answer in the 545 00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:26,820 assault at the sphere this is that 546 00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:28,440 there's always a Russian right there's 547 00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:33,660 always something reentry really well I 548 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:36,140 can't get round my head sometimes is 549 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:38,610 there's all these things like Russian 550 00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:41,250 Russian rockets and everything three 551 00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:44,940 entering the atmosphere and everything 552 00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:47,340 and then around my mobile phones in size 553 00:28:06,019 --> 00:28:02,899 Wow yeah well you know I mean it's it's 554 00:28:07,999 --> 00:28:06,029 it's it is this has been a story around 555 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:08,009 you know lately that the Russians now 556 00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:12,090 have this like hypersonic missile if you 557 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:54,409 have a submarines up there the reality 558 00:28:58,129 --> 00:28:56,370 of the Russian military is this is two 559 00:29:00,560 --> 00:28:58,139 years ago when they were fighting you 560 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:00,570 know the weather in Syria they brought 561 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:04,169 the air from the man's into the 562 00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:38,140 darling was such a segment look at their 563 00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:48,590 boat we got the boat you've mentioned 564 00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:51,710 now of course that's one day full of 565 00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:54,260 nitrogen say of events of course you 566 00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:55,880 have never more than one night according 567 00:30:06,610 --> 00:29:58,960 to other people involved 568 00:30:09,070 --> 00:30:06,620 yes yeah yeah the 25th to the 26th early 569 00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:09,080 hours of the 25th started on the 25th 570 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:11,480 went into the 26 and then it was the 571 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:15,230 27th 28th see it's an odd time but it 572 00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:18,560 seems like a time to if you wanted to be 573 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:19,550 up to no good 574 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:22,250 yeah it's it's over a Christmas week in 575 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:35,150 a week a lot of Christmas drunk with 576 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:39,410 nuclear weapons around as well was that 577 00:30:50,530 --> 00:30:41,510 there were drugs and things on the base 578 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:50,540 whether that's true or not should I tell 579 00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:53,150 you what I can't and I spoke to mark 580 00:30:59,140 --> 00:30:56,360 about this today you know and I asked 581 00:31:03,580 --> 00:30:59,150 him whether this was possible right now 582 00:31:08,020 --> 00:31:03,590 we went decimal in 1971 over here okay 583 00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:08,030 okay but the metric system of length a 584 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:11,180 measurement and everything didn't come 585 00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:14,110 into more in between somewhere between 586 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:18,860 1971 and 1980 I think there's about 1976 587 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:21,350 people started using it and everyone was 588 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,050 complaining so in 1980 the government's 589 00:31:28,570 --> 00:31:26,240 and I said okay you can't get a hang of 590 00:31:31,450 --> 00:31:28,580 this we keep the imperial measure as 591 00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:31,460 well as the metric measure yes right so 592 00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:35,780 anybody now after 1980 was actually 593 00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:39,320 educated in the metric whereas us oldest 594 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:42,500 was Stu I using both you know I still 595 00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:43,650 use the pound 596 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:47,040 analysis and things like that but in 597 00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,210 these statements that were done in 1980 598 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:52,980 by these people 599 00:31:59,860 --> 00:31:56,130 Fred Lauren who wrote he wrote his 600 00:32:02,660 --> 00:31:59,870 statement out he used the words yards 601 00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:02,670 900 yards was in a statement 602 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:08,150 John Burroughs used two miles right okay 603 00:32:12,290 --> 00:32:11,970 Edward Catbus I can't pronounce that 604 00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:12,300 name 605 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:18,030 he talked him meters okay and Chandler 606 00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:21,210 he talked him meters penderson talked 607 00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:24,390 him meters and miles and Colonel Holt 608 00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:30,620 well he talks in feet right you know it 609 00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:33,630 was difficult for people here living in 610 00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:39,180 the UK like I said smart boy who 611 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:42,420 educated in metric system kilometres and 612 00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:45,600 things like that over there no you're 613 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:47,670 just still using the old feet and inches 614 00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:51,510 aren't you a miles yes over here do the 615 00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,190 same thing and it just didn't catch on 616 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:54,720 over here so they had metric wrote 617 00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:56,370 science for a while 618 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,260 yep they charm down in the late 619 00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:03,600 seventies mid seventies and so I'll tell 620 00:33:13,330 --> 00:33:04,920 you a real quick story because they did 621 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:17,540 join the club they film with Bill Lee 622 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:19,650 the pitcher for the Red Sox on the 623 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:21,690 metric system where he you know threw a 624 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:23,370 ball a certain amount you know here's it 625 00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:25,170 here it is in feet here it is in metrics 626 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:26,400 and stuff and they had the metric 627 00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:27,720 measurement at Fenway Park where the 628 00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:29,640 Boston Red Sox played baseball for years 629 00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:31,260 on the wall and I finally did take them 630 00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:33,240 off you know and then like the day we 631 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:35,520 finished it was was the day the story 632 00:33:37,790 --> 00:33:36,690 came out said the government says the 633 00:33:45,050 --> 00:33:37,800 hell with it we're not gonna go with 634 00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:45,060 metrics what got me was young soldiers 635 00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:47,670 of 1920 25 years old 636 00:33:54,620 --> 00:33:52,260 being able to put stuff into metric yeah 637 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,630 it's just too confusing you know it just 638 00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,880 didn't like soccer is now 639 00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:58,320 gonna be big over here in the United 640 00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:59,880 States I'm sorry because some things 641 00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:01,980 just don't sink in with Americans for 642 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:12,659 some reason so who wants to give us a 643 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:14,010 current summary of what is supposed to 644 00:34:19,580 --> 00:34:15,450 have happened on the third night and now 645 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:19,590 obviously it's controversial but that's 646 00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,990 the third night was when Colonel hope 647 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:24,060 was that dinner wasn't he or something 648 00:34:29,419 --> 00:34:26,250 in the mess and somebody come running in 649 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:29,429 yelling it's at his back its back and he 650 00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:32,250 went out there right and also on that 651 00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:36,000 tape another thing you know if I I'm the 652 00:34:42,020 --> 00:34:40,200 mother okay and if I thought there was 653 00:34:44,419 --> 00:34:42,030 Hugh I was out there and I had just 654 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:44,429 children I wouldn't be taking my kid out 655 00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:47,399 there with me apparently somewhere on 656 00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,220 this tape there's piano music which 657 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:52,980 turns out to have been his daughter 658 00:34:57,350 --> 00:34:55,649 maybe she had a woman or something I was 659 00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:57,360 something I don't know what she had a 660 00:35:01,820 --> 00:34:59,610 little radio or something with her at 661 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:01,830 the time and switched it on and it got 662 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:04,590 caught on the code tape but this is on a 663 00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:07,710 military base this is a UFO sighting or 664 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:10,500 someone identified sighting out there 665 00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:13,410 that nobody knows what's going on out 666 00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:15,870 there and you take your child out that's 667 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:17,910 a little crazy man yeah you'd be in jail 668 00:35:26,180 --> 00:35:22,650 if that happened over here it was on 669 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:26,190 that website I read it or not I've never 670 00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:27,690 heard I've never heard that he brought 671 00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:30,510 his kid out there that's fenced around 672 00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:32,280 the space or something that what's yeah 673 00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:33,390 they were they were outside the 674 00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,980 permanent okay yeah they're outside the 675 00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:36,960 piranhas and and it's in and I guess 676 00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:40,800 it's in East Anglia which I'm not in 677 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:47,880 it's like lots of long history for 678 00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:49,950 centuries of strange things happening 679 00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:51,750 there you know even now they say that 680 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:54,060 you know the trees won't grow on the 681 00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:55,770 spot where this thing touchdown you know 682 00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:57,510 didn't they find some kind of stuff on 683 00:36:01,100 --> 00:35:59,130 the ground there to switch there what 684 00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:01,110 didn't they find something I understand 685 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:03,390 it was a they actually check for 686 00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,570 radiation and it it follow the perfect 687 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:08,460 pattern of an equilateral triangle I 688 00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,970 don't 689 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:10,680 know about of the other kind of residue 690 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:13,290 yeah they found three imprints in a 691 00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:15,810 triangular shape or something or rather 692 00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:18,960 about seven and a half feet in diameter 693 00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:24,000 or whatever but it's a forestry creamish 694 00:36:29,089 --> 00:36:26,940 Commission says it look like so they 695 00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:29,099 actually look like rabbits scratchings 696 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:32,280 Oh what else are they gonna say doesn't 697 00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:34,530 sound like something from dr. the early 698 00:36:40,339 --> 00:36:36,030 doctor who you know how they used to 699 00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:40,349 have like the crazy machines you know I 700 00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:41,700 mean the way they said it look like a 701 00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:43,230 pyramid there's some kind of pyramids 702 00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:45,150 and doctors and it just the way it 703 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:47,099 active and so on but then when it takes 704 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:49,530 off in a flash and one of the things 705 00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:52,290 everyone that kind of agrees on is that 706 00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:55,140 this thing left in them like a drink of 707 00:37:01,099 --> 00:36:58,380 it are gone yeah technology we have 708 00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:01,109 today I you know maybe we have it but 709 00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:03,270 they certainly didn't have a mekinese so 710 00:37:10,099 --> 00:37:06,359 with with the tape rolling at the time 711 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:10,109 there was no sound of object just always 712 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:21,570 just examining the grounds right the guy 713 00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:23,130 could count so that they couldn't work 714 00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,740 work I mean you know didn't work you 715 00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:35,760 know as it seems to happen a lot all I 716 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:38,790 got my field in the military but just 717 00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:40,890 once again just to go back to this if 718 00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:42,990 something odd was gonna happen this is 719 00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:44,280 the place that's gonna happen because 720 00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,109 you're at these two bases that that 721 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:48,240 shouldn't be there with weapons that 722 00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,609 shouldn't be there not a lot of people 723 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:52,500 around you know what the Christmas 724 00:37:58,030 --> 00:37:54,089 season they're having a party at the 725 00:38:02,740 --> 00:37:58,040 base it just seems like an odd time to I 726 00:38:05,780 --> 00:38:02,750 don't know for aliens to visit us or 727 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:05,790 another thing Jim Penniston said in his 728 00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:08,910 statement that he took closest he got to 729 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:12,030 it was 50 meters but since then on radio 730 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:14,970 and things like that he's talked about 731 00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:18,210 being within 10 foot of this thing about 732 00:38:26,190 --> 00:38:21,070 the training of static electricity 733 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:26,200 taking I mean off the the steep top the 734 00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:29,650 feeling that time was not flowing 735 00:38:35,370 --> 00:38:31,960 properly it was dragging and everything 736 00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:35,380 was in slow motion when he put his hand 737 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:37,060 on it and everything 738 00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:39,460 because he felt round if he couldn't 739 00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:42,580 find any doors no windows no nothing 740 00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:43,510 like that 741 00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:48,120 and until he came all across these 742 00:39:02,180 --> 00:38:52,420 bicone things you know like and that's 743 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:02,190 wedding business you know he says the 744 00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:05,890 people are definitely helping one man 745 00:39:11,010 --> 00:39:07,840 thrown with the words today binary 746 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:11,020 binary code that I put into his notebook 747 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,880 I didn't come out for couple years 748 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:17,920 yeah I hate to say it but you know once 749 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:20,170 again don't want to be the back of the 750 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:21,850 cold water button you know this is like 751 00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:23,950 in one of these stores that has just so 752 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:26,590 many elaborations on top a lot of the 753 00:39:30,030 --> 00:39:28,150 guys feel but for the people who are 754 00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:30,040 actually out there even they disagree on 755 00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,750 what happened and that just means that 756 00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,760 it you know this guy's helping this guy 757 00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:35,440 work this guy's help on this guy at work 758 00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:37,480 and you know the more you say the better 759 00:39:41,250 --> 00:39:39,340 it's gonna be and so on and so forth you 760 00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:41,260 know and it clouds the real issue that 761 00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:43,270 these people are out in the woods and 762 00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:45,670 Christmas Eve or in the Christmas is you 763 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:47,800 know season at a basement isn't supposed 764 00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:50,530 to be there seeing this thing and you 765 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:51,940 have a tape recording of the guy doing 766 00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,570 it that's crazy enough for 99% of people 767 00:40:01,260 --> 00:39:58,000 believe me definitely 768 00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:01,270 okay I've said my piece the one you want 769 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:03,640 on well I saw some nice those reading 770 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:04,810 something along the way good that 771 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:09,970 perhaps was Holly's driving a hoax in 772 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:12,010 fact there's a hoax by some somebody 773 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:13,930 driving around the military vehicle 774 00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:15,130 rigged up with these strange lights 775 00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,390 it's like a college Christmas Friday 776 00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:27,920 yeah okay those are a key people in UK 777 00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:32,390 they're always pulling pranks question 778 00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:34,190 for everybody here talking about the 779 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:37,760 moment who's actually been there I've 780 00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:48,650 never been okay what would your first 781 00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:50,990 impression of the place well I'd have to 782 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:53,300 say the whole rendition for us itself is 783 00:40:59,230 --> 00:40:55,970 absolutely strange there's a very odd 784 00:41:03,460 --> 00:40:59,240 feeling about 2mass not at all 785 00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:03,470 but the itself is odd I have been there 786 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:05,750 we went to sort of an afternoon and then 787 00:41:08,830 --> 00:41:07,250 sort of had a good wander around the 788 00:41:10,810 --> 00:41:08,840 woods we were trying to find that this 789 00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,820 the site of the model that's been 790 00:41:14,109 --> 00:41:12,800 constructed which apparently on the 791 00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,119 slide of the supposed landing is 792 00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:17,119 supposed to be nearby it completely the 793 00:41:20,830 --> 00:41:18,590 wrong part of the water for a long while 794 00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:20,840 and I'm gradually going to realize 795 00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:21,950 you're in the wrong area because we 796 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:23,270 weren't finding anything we were trying 797 00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:25,910 to find the east gate so we were quite 798 00:41:30,130 --> 00:41:27,950 some way from whether suppose a line 799 00:41:31,810 --> 00:41:30,140 into a place and it just feels strange 800 00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:31,820 there's no other way of explaining it 801 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:35,030 just feels strange you do feel not be 802 00:41:38,590 --> 00:41:36,530 entirely on your own there I mean 803 00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:38,600 there's four of us but there's more 804 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:40,520 around more going on I'll be actually 805 00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:42,770 into a guy who knew the area quite well 806 00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:44,750 and he told us a number of stories that 807 00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:47,480 were nothing to do UFOs but a very 808 00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,820 strange sightings over the years of 809 00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,440 things that have occurred in the bottom 810 00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:52,880 in the area of the woods where people 811 00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:54,590 have seen strange-looking figures 812 00:41:58,090 --> 00:41:56,300 walking around and then suddenly 813 00:42:00,310 --> 00:41:58,100 disappearing things appear almost 814 00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:00,320 two-dimensional walking across the road 815 00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:01,760 than just disappearing in the middle of 816 00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:03,350 the road and things along those lines 817 00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:06,350 it's a bit long before and since the UFO 818 00:42:11,260 --> 00:42:09,140 landing so he's his area of interest is 819 00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:11,270 more those other stories he's asked me 820 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:12,950 not to say who he is and when we spoke 821 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:14,690 to him at the time because I get one a 822 00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,310 radio show but he didn't want to do that 823 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:18,800 but he's been careful or him or the 824 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:21,170 other events outside of the UFO stuff 825 00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:23,450 and he said this is this place almost 826 00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,340 four centuries has had all sorts of 827 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:28,160 stories of strange sightings of sort of 828 00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,650 black magic and witchcraft and all those 829 00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,480 kind of strange things going on in its 830 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:34,640 and a strange creature sighted alien 831 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:37,130 alien in the sense of beings or fairy 832 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:38,810 folk and that kinda thing I've been seen 833 00:42:44,350 --> 00:42:40,850 in wood for centuries you know there's 834 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:44,360 not a one-off it's not just some random 835 00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:46,370 base of around a wooden this thing 836 00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:48,140 happen with this place is areas had 837 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:50,180 problems for or mysteries for centuries 838 00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:52,490 and this is just the latest in a long 839 00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:54,620 line of them and there's a little Side 840 00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,840 Story which I think might find 841 00:43:00,640 --> 00:42:58,880 interesting a friend of mine my old 842 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:00,650 ghost investigation team Michael James 843 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:03,170 he had a relative who lived in the 844 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:05,210 Rhenish room area at the back of the 845 00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:08,450 1960s there were plow farming the farm 846 00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:10,280 which is actually where the other 847 00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:12,260 suppose landing took place in the 848 00:43:16,750 --> 00:43:14,180 nineteen thirties and pulled up an 849 00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:16,760 elongated skull human skull it was 850 00:43:21,220 --> 00:43:19,910 elongated now he said it was turned over 851 00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:21,230 to the local authorities and went off to 852 00:43:25,630 --> 00:43:23,240 the police and basically was never seen 853 00:43:27,850 --> 00:43:25,640 disappeared for lately now it could 854 00:43:30,340 --> 00:43:27,860 obviously be just a deformed human being 855 00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:30,350 there's nothing more to it than that but 856 00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:32,180 they said it was deafening of a human it 857 00:43:36,970 --> 00:43:34,550 was looking it was an adult size and the 858 00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,980 skull was extended out the back I said 859 00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:38,720 that was found in the 1960s and in the 860 00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:40,910 very would like the very fields I should 861 00:43:46,180 --> 00:43:43,700 say where the other supposed sighting 862 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:46,190 took place so it just shows that the 863 00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:48,170 place itself has got a strange feeling 864 00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:49,700 about it there's no doubt about it at 865 00:43:53,050 --> 00:43:51,710 all and the fact that there's a nuclear 866 00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:53,060 base that wasn't especially nuclear 867 00:43:58,540 --> 00:43:55,400 they're all kind of ties into this is a 868 00:44:00,040 --> 00:43:58,550 strange place and they still face is 869 00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:00,050 still there I'm sorry stretch other 870 00:44:12,130 --> 00:44:08,750 bases job there the shutdown and you can 871 00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,140 tap okay as we could see their private 872 00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:14,240 security signs a security firm although 873 00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:15,950 she takes care of the site to put your 874 00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:18,320 the I mean I know people have gone into 875 00:44:23,050 --> 00:44:21,470 the site and shouldn't and they've been 876 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:23,060 able to wander around fairly freedom and 877 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:24,770 some of the more so the buildings don't 878 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:26,330 become rather derelict now but no 879 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:28,250 there's no activity there one of the 880 00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,450 things funny enough I was talking about 881 00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,760 with a friend over Christmas talking we 882 00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:33,920 did this show a reminder myself had 883 00:44:37,819 --> 00:44:36,640 forgotten on the wave from the main road 884 00:44:40,249 --> 00:44:37,829 towards 885 00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:40,259 where the supposed landing took place we 886 00:44:43,489 --> 00:44:42,180 just say pennies not quite we actually 887 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:43,499 took place but where they've erected a 888 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:46,170 monument this yeah black trying we think 889 00:44:52,549 --> 00:44:48,690 we came across what could only describe 890 00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:52,559 as a kind of hole in the ground a vented 891 00:45:00,499 --> 00:44:55,079 hole in the ground okay I'm looking for 892 00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:00,509 like a manhole underground underground 893 00:45:06,219 --> 00:45:02,430 something certainly in the middle of the 894 00:45:08,059 --> 00:45:06,229 large manhole now again what we've heard 895 00:45:09,799 --> 00:45:08,069 subsequent is of course about these 896 00:45:11,509 --> 00:45:09,809 nuclear weapons were there and still 897 00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,519 underground under the baits and there 898 00:45:16,249 --> 00:45:14,160 may be pathways or tunnels it extended 899 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:16,259 out from the base not probably very far 900 00:45:20,269 --> 00:45:18,089 but there's no doubt about it 901 00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:20,279 that was a manhole in the middle of a 902 00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:24,420 wood which is not something you very 903 00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,359 often see in the woods a lot of woods 904 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:33,359 around the UK you've got not even 905 00:45:37,489 --> 00:45:35,369 forests you've got Ashdown Forest that 906 00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:37,499 give you that eerie feeling when you're 907 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:43,380 in them things happen in them you know 908 00:45:46,759 --> 00:45:45,089 many various investigations over the 909 00:45:48,739 --> 00:45:46,769 years of various out so location and 910 00:45:50,209 --> 00:45:48,749 woods and flawless and I'm honestly say 911 00:45:52,999 --> 00:45:50,219 to you know where it felt like 912 00:45:54,859 --> 00:45:53,009 membership they doesn't more than 913 00:45:58,939 --> 00:45:54,869 atmosphere a feeling to than anywhere 914 00:46:01,160 --> 00:45:58,949 else I have been to what even in the UFO 915 00:46:02,989 --> 00:46:01,170 field bad beer because of UFOs they say 916 00:46:04,579 --> 00:46:02,999 it creeps them out when they go in there 917 00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:04,589 you know they don't even know destroy 918 00:46:14,839 --> 00:46:12,199 there's the UFO trail you can follow as 919 00:46:17,229 --> 00:46:14,849 well as zoom sort of we were there to 920 00:46:20,299 --> 00:46:17,239 late afternoon into early evenings last 921 00:46:21,949 --> 00:46:20,309 probably year ago Susan it wasn't the 922 00:46:23,479 --> 00:46:21,959 height of summer it wasn't like great 923 00:46:24,859 --> 00:46:23,489 with with was okay but wasn't there for 924 00:46:27,019 --> 00:46:24,869 good where there weren't many people 925 00:46:28,339 --> 00:46:27,029 about they say they chat we actually met 926 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:28,349 in the carpod they're ready to meet 927 00:46:31,819 --> 00:46:29,729 somebody else and that person hadn't 928 00:46:33,319 --> 00:46:31,829 turned up so it was just a lot faithful 929 00:46:35,779 --> 00:46:33,329 either he was there and I able to talk 930 00:46:37,219 --> 00:46:35,789 to us about what he's been cataloging is 931 00:46:38,959 --> 00:46:37,229 to say well I've tried to be certainly 932 00:46:40,579 --> 00:46:38,969 come on the radio he wasn't too keen on 933 00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:40,589 the idea at the moment to keep a low 934 00:46:43,759 --> 00:46:41,940 profile because of all the other 935 00:46:45,979 --> 00:46:43,769 problems this this site has generated 936 00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:45,989 but they said his real interest was 937 00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:48,329 always the other stuff not just the UFO 938 00:46:51,799 --> 00:46:49,140 thing that was 939 00:46:53,059 --> 00:46:51,809 sideline for hims it was because he's 940 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:53,069 not enough look at the UFO case of 941 00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:54,450 course within that was told his other 942 00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:56,190 stories is that he's a local and all 943 00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:57,510 sorts of strange things were coming out 944 00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,130 the people who've seen the experience 945 00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:02,160 over the years there's the story and I 946 00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,960 have to say one of my books on CL 947 00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:06,079 everywhere I called UFOs in wartime 948 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:11,760 where in 1958 when the there it is one 949 00:47:21,529 --> 00:47:14,250 one thing holding it up yeah we're a 950 00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:21,539 radio show what happened was they there 951 00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:25,380 were a couple u.s. fighters f-86 952 00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,529 fighters 1958 you on call on standby 953 00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:31,200 they have them out you know you wound up 954 00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:32,700 on the runway just in case you know 955 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:34,470 because the whole boyfriend thing and so 956 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:37,049 on and they get scrambled and one of 957 00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:39,089 them had to turn back so it's one guy in 958 00:47:45,769 --> 00:47:42,740 an f-86 and he is flying and he can see 959 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:45,779 1,000 blips on the radar screen coming 960 00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:48,450 towards me and they eventually he's 961 00:47:52,809 --> 00:47:50,220 going wow what is going on here you know 962 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:52,819 and they went by him overhead overhead 963 00:47:58,700 --> 00:47:54,930 and then just disappeared 964 00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:58,710 and you know they don't ever recording 965 00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,410 of it you know it has like the the text 966 00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:03,359 of you know the back and forth ain't no 967 00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,660 one was transcribe and if you do like 968 00:48:10,539 --> 00:48:08,339 the measurements and stuff that happened 969 00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:10,549 almost like read over these two bases 970 00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,049 there's no shots of the radar display no 971 00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:18,000 I mean they have a lot of people were in 972 00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:20,339 the control tower saying you know this 973 00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,990 looks like a Russian invasion can see it 974 00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:23,700 comes a thousand blips and yes you know 975 00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,619 and he's up there and they're going 976 00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:27,900 around him but they're not planes you 977 00:48:31,999 --> 00:48:29,400 know and then they like I'm suddenly 978 00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:32,009 disappear you know but once again it's 979 00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:34,049 it's over he's dangling and if you kind 980 00:48:39,859 --> 00:48:37,079 of do them you know what it's right over 981 00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:39,869 these two bases that happened 1958 so as 982 00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:42,599 he says it's a place where all these 983 00:48:47,059 --> 00:48:44,099 weird things have been happening all 984 00:48:48,799 --> 00:48:47,069 along now they just happened to involve 985 00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,809 high technology and stuff because that's 986 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:50,640 what we live in but you know under the 987 00:48:55,830 --> 00:48:52,650 years ago people saw strange still see 988 00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:01,120 pulls them into the radar towers in East 989 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:03,640 Anglia to see if they picked anything up 990 00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:10,090 nothing nothing no won't picking nothing 991 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:12,590 see that that whole area is interesting 992 00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:14,570 because that's my main area of interest 993 00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:16,700 are these so-called high strangeness 994 00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:19,310 areas where all these different types of 995 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:21,500 phenomena seem to come together and it's 996 00:49:25,330 --> 00:49:23,570 not clear what the connection is and of 997 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:25,340 course there's a Nick Redfern is written 998 00:49:30,190 --> 00:49:28,010 about Cannock Chase I'm connected to the 999 00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:30,200 demas man in Point Pleasant West 1000 00:49:34,570 --> 00:49:32,600 Virginia in the Ohio Valley all the 1001 00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:34,580 strange stuff that went on there you're 1002 00:49:38,260 --> 00:49:36,260 heard of the skinwalker ranch me all 1003 00:49:40,930 --> 00:49:38,270 over the globe there are these areas 1004 00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:40,940 like you just referenced where you get 1005 00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:43,880 cryptids poltergeist phenomena you got 1006 00:49:50,109 --> 00:49:46,550 classic haunting stuff UFOs and 1007 00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:50,119 sometimes it's very ethereal or very 1008 00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:51,710 nebulous it's not doesn't seem to be a 1009 00:49:57,220 --> 00:49:55,670 very solid kind of a proposition so we 1010 00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:57,230 talked a lot about that on that show 1011 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:01,520 yeah hmm interesting it really is 1012 00:50:29,650 --> 00:50:08,330 interesting not solid follow us after 1013 00:50:31,210 --> 00:50:29,660 the show of 93 we got as far as being 1014 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:31,220 told that it's back and then what 1015 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:33,290 happened after that I mean according to 1016 00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,290 those who have spoken about them so give 1017 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:38,720 us a run-through I've never heard a 1018 00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:40,490 night 3 I've heard of the first night 1019 00:50:43,930 --> 00:50:42,380 and the night that Colonel halt went out 1020 00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:43,940 there that's the only nights I've heard 1021 00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:47,900 of I'm not checking my book maybe I have 1022 00:50:58,330 --> 00:50:54,910 been wrong look I haven't read yet so 1023 00:51:00,660 --> 00:50:58,340 third night there it's reaching I don't 1024 00:51:05,859 --> 00:51:00,670 I don't know I have any information 1025 00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:05,869 started on the late evening of the 25th 1026 00:51:11,710 --> 00:51:09,260 didn't it so that side he was from the 1027 00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:11,720 only fit into the 26 and the next 1028 00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:14,630 sighting was from I got a trouble I 1029 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:20,590 think was from the 27th into the 28 that 1030 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:22,610 I've heard when they were having a 1031 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:24,770 Christmas party up deed at the Bell 1032 00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:29,330 there was one 27th into the 28th yeah so 1033 00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:31,790 really it took place over a period of 1034 00:51:42,610 --> 00:51:40,550 four days smooth you know so I carry on 1035 00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:42,620 talking carry on talking carry on 1036 00:51:48,310 --> 00:51:46,190 talking 1 1 please do a tap-dance roster 1037 00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:48,320 well I was thinking it might be time for 1038 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:53,150 me to go into the the room the room and 1039 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:54,770 then be back and a couple of minutes can 1040 00:52:05,350 --> 00:51:56,450 we do that the room oh you mean the 1041 00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:05,360 break room yeah we have breaks kids he 1042 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:08,960 means the little boy's room you're 1043 00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:18,650 excused one woman just microphone 1044 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:31,760 because they have the tinkling because I 1045 00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:36,650 got lost there I forgot one now we all 1046 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:39,680 did you know it's it's a good it's it's 1047 00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:41,090 one of the best stories one of my 1048 00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:42,920 favorite UFO stories because you know 1049 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:44,750 once again obviously something happened 1050 00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,450 you know and they in in in you know I 1051 00:52:51,790 --> 00:52:49,760 said one more time and I promise let's 1052 00:52:55,330 --> 00:52:51,800 stop it happened at a very strange place 1053 00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:55,340 at a very strange time you know in a 1054 00:52:58,450 --> 00:52:57,110 place where it not only have these 1055 00:53:00,820 --> 00:52:58,460 nuclear weapons that I suppose be 1056 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:00,830 there's an NSA listening site right near 1057 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:03,650 this yeah and it's like what's that 1058 00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,370 doing there you know and in the no no 1059 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:09,920 you say Lewis tell me you said what do 1060 00:53:13,180 --> 00:53:11,810 you what do you read into that what do 1061 00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:13,190 you think that it's as citizens of those 1062 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:15,950 factors yeah I don't think that let's 1063 00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:18,650 say it was our technology okay let's 1064 00:53:23,010 --> 00:53:20,740 just say it was well technology 1065 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:23,020 you wouldn't you wouldn't try out your 1066 00:53:28,350 --> 00:53:25,810 this supa dupa technology in this area 1067 00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:28,360 that has all these this strange stuff 1068 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:30,760 going on you know I mean strange stuff 1069 00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,890 as far as a base that isn't supposed to 1070 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:34,480 be there weapons are not supposed to be 1071 00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:36,850 there and NSA listening station you want 1072 00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:40,180 to you want to you know try to keep 1073 00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:42,460 those areas kind of quiet you don't want 1074 00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:44,260 to make a noise around those you know 1075 00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:46,750 you don't want to make Elmo a teeny I 1076 00:53:50,130 --> 00:53:49,750 producers this first time speaking on 1077 00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:50,140 air 1078 00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:54,310 why would they in fact if they had some 1079 00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,980 kind of special technology going on and 1080 00:54:01,260 --> 00:53:58,720 it was an American thing why would they 1081 00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:01,270 take it out of the country and involve 1082 00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:03,070 another government in it if they were 1083 00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:04,270 gonna do it why wouldn't they do it 1084 00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:10,590 somewhere in this country in the country 1085 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:13,270 that's entirely possible but why would 1086 00:54:23,790 --> 00:54:20,290 it be American base anywhere near an 1087 00:54:25,260 --> 00:54:23,800 American base or any base comes you know 1088 00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:25,270 they wouldn't bring light to that 1089 00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:28,560 particular base you know unless they did 1090 00:54:33,090 --> 00:54:31,030 in the middle of nowhere 1091 00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:33,100 they may not have been generated the 1092 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:35,260 land if the omec monocle is right in his 1093 00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:37,810 remote viewing something went wrong so 1094 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:40,180 perhaps it was just to be a flyover or 1095 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:42,250 something like that to test the reaction 1096 00:54:46,109 --> 00:54:44,530 and if something went wrong maybe it 1097 00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:46,119 wasn't supposed to land or come down 1098 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:48,670 towards the ground but then how do you 1099 00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:50,740 account for it taking off in a flash 1100 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:54,040 well according to Penniston I believe it 1101 00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:55,930 was Penniston it was either Penniston or 1102 00:55:01,710 --> 00:54:59,290 Burroughs this thing it was on the 1103 00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:01,720 ground right it came down it was night 1104 00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:04,630 it pretty white it came down and landed 1105 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:07,020 on the ground and it turned really 1106 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:11,170 metallic shiny beautiful black and then 1107 00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:14,050 all the time as if it just sat there and 1108 00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:15,310 then all of a sudden all these lights 1109 00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:18,400 started going through it and then it 1110 00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,700 lifted up off the ground and then up 1111 00:55:26,130 --> 00:55:23,680 through the trees turned white again 1112 00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:26,140 like a bright white night and shut off 1113 00:55:38,370 --> 00:55:36,180 well in his mind he couldn't see how 1114 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:38,380 there was no windows no doors how anyone 1115 00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:42,250 could possibly be inside there and he 1116 00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:44,140 thought this thing was self-healing 1117 00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:49,119 itself may I quote from dick Pope's book 1118 00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:51,640 about the third night yeah please 1119 00:55:55,890 --> 00:55:54,460 okay this is uh originally John 1120 00:55:59,099 --> 00:55:55,900 Burroughs this is the third night this 1121 00:56:02,099 --> 00:55:59,109 light came back and he originally didn't 1122 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:02,109 have permission to go of toward him but 1123 00:56:10,170 --> 00:56:05,470 then he and sergeant Adrian who steena 1124 00:56:12,270 --> 00:56:10,180 whose tins oh sorry they were authorized 1125 00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:12,280 to approach one of the lights so they 1126 00:56:15,930 --> 00:56:14,080 walked toward this thing and then he in 1127 00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,940 his words the Burroughs words he says 1128 00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:18,400 all of a sudden in front of us we had a 1129 00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:20,380 blue transparent light comes streaking 1130 00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:23,350 toward us and then a white object kind 1131 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:25,720 of appeared up and then floated down and 1132 00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:27,250 was sitting out there in the distance 1133 00:56:32,730 --> 00:56:29,740 they got permission to go toward it and 1134 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:32,740 as they started going toward it then it 1135 00:56:38,730 --> 00:56:35,050 appeared to start coming toward them 1136 00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,740 now the sergeant was on his right and he 1137 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:41,200 went down to the ground and he saw 1138 00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,050 Burroughs go kind of into the light and 1139 00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:46,240 saw Burroughs disappear 1140 00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:49,180 he saw the light kind of explode or 1141 00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:51,460 seemed to explode and then Burroughs was 1142 00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:54,100 gone for several minutes before he 1143 00:57:00,090 --> 00:56:57,670 reappeared hmm and he it was real says I 1144 00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:00,100 have no recollection of it I have no 1145 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:01,720 memory of what happened the next thing I 1146 00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:03,850 know I was standing in the field and it 1147 00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:08,440 was gone so I was a bobby pin that was a 1148 00:57:14,670 --> 00:57:11,380 third not unheard of so yeah that sounds 1149 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:14,680 like what it was well just some 1150 00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:16,930 Wikipedia stuff and you know Google 1151 00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:19,420 things and it seems to mention the 28th 1152 00:57:36,359 --> 00:57:28,270 and stuff on the top the hot memo there 1153 00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:36,369 you know it was well that's right 1154 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:39,190 maybe doesn't be a fact that there is an 1155 00:57:41,580 --> 00:57:40,510 alignment between where they were 1156 00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:41,590 standing in the direction they were 1157 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:42,400 looking and where the lighthouse 1158 00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:44,770 actually is that's right it does draw a 1159 00:57:47,319 --> 00:57:45,470 line but 1160 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:47,329 I mean the chance of them one not 1161 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:48,890 recognizing and bloody lighthouse with 1162 00:57:53,290 --> 00:57:50,810 it been big beta for some period of time 1163 00:57:54,940 --> 00:57:53,300 and two lighthouses don't change : they 1164 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:54,950 don't move you know they do might break 1165 00:57:58,839 --> 00:57:57,170 on and off as they turn or appear to but 1166 00:58:04,750 --> 00:57:58,849 they said you don't behave the way these 1167 00:58:06,849 --> 00:58:04,760 things are described but just come onto 1168 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:06,859 the pace seems to be the show you were 1169 00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:09,650 four hunters went there and they 1170 00:58:14,530 --> 00:58:12,140 debunked the lighthouse thing by the way 1171 00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,540 I quoted from encounter in Rendlesham 1172 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:16,240 forest by Nick tovo 1173 00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:19,609 yeah there you go Nick there's a nice 1174 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:23,960 little plug for you Nick thinks it 1175 00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:27,410 really happened right Steven I haven't 1176 00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:30,020 gotten to his conclusion but I think he 1177 00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,400 does yes yeah well I mean it was a real 1178 00:58:36,579 --> 00:58:33,920 event and you know it was like you know 1179 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:36,589 remember Socorro New Mexico Lonnie 1180 00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:39,050 Zamora saw this craft land and two 1181 00:58:43,059 --> 00:58:41,089 humanoids next to it and he's a real 1182 00:58:45,069 --> 00:58:43,069 credible guy then years later they come 1183 00:58:47,290 --> 00:58:45,079 out and say oh it was a college prank 1184 00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:47,300 well that's that's as ridiculous as it 1185 00:58:51,609 --> 00:58:49,190 is this Rendlesham to say that this was 1186 00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:51,619 some kind of hoax whatever it was it was 1187 00:59:00,339 --> 00:58:55,640 not a hoax I mean something going on 1188 00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:00,349 also there was oh what's those things 1189 00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:04,040 out you've got bloody Birds now oh they 1190 00:59:26,530 --> 00:59:10,430 fly around up and happen this way when 1191 00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,540 they break up these big things the other 1192 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:29,359 thing that's very very recently which 1193 00:59:33,849 --> 00:59:31,130 you might not have caught up in America 1194 00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:33,859 just yet this is supposed claim that it 1195 00:59:40,540 --> 00:59:35,900 was actually an sas prank that was 1196 00:59:41,890 --> 00:59:40,550 carried out onto the American but Ashley 1197 00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,900 ridiculous when you look at the actual 1198 00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:44,240 report that the the SES officers are 1199 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:46,670 unnamed surprise surprise and the 1200 00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:48,530 supposing source of the story is a 1201 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:50,030 little hard to track down so it's 1202 00:59:53,980 --> 00:59:51,650 entirely unlikely that there's any true 1203 00:59:57,580 --> 00:59:53,990 to whatsoever but it has literally come 1204 01:00:00,040 --> 00:59:57,590 out the last few days this suppose it SS 1205 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:00,050 pranks Takeda against the Americans on 1206 01:00:04,030 --> 01:00:02,450 the base which shouldn't he mention but 1207 01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:04,040 he didn't be a while to crazy idea to 1208 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:13,760 say the least somewhat less than 1209 01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:15,770 reputable newspaper you're like it's 1210 01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:17,480 probably not for a feeling these 1211 01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:25,410 well a few the Daily Mail put it out 1212 01:00:41,020 --> 01:00:38,960 quite a few but they're all rags got a 1213 01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:41,030 lot better things to do with their ton 1214 01:01:00,040 --> 01:00:54,020 than play pranks on young Eamon career 1215 01:01:02,020 --> 01:01:00,050 ethic so no officially confirmed that he 1216 01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:02,030 did have nuclear weaponry there because 1217 01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:05,150 it's been good for a long time but is it 1218 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:06,950 as the European government actually said 1219 01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:10,490 yes it was officially it was apparently 1220 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:13,520 it wasn't the big stuff you know it 1221 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:17,570 wasn't the big day a big big stuff it 1222 01:01:31,410 --> 01:01:26,330 was my I was more lighter nuclear my 1223 01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:36,910 confirm this is asking our American 1224 01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:38,510 colleagues here they were officially 1225 01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:42,300 concerned that lead was a nuclear base 1226 01:01:47,260 --> 01:01:44,350 [Music] 1227 01:01:49,390 --> 01:01:47,270 you know it's come from somewhere isn't 1228 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:49,400 it because they've all upper Greenham 1229 01:01:52,780 --> 01:01:51,170 common all I'm a story's been about for 1230 01:02:01,000 --> 01:01:52,790 decades but has it ever been officially 1231 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:01,010 confirmed I know everybody thought it 1232 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:05,090 was all upper Greenham common and you 1233 01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:08,570 had women up there with their ban the 1234 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:11,599 bomb signs and what have you can 1235 01:02:17,469 --> 01:02:15,650 having a great time but that's where 1236 01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:17,479 they thought everybody thought it was 1237 01:02:31,509 --> 01:02:19,729 but it wasn't you know apparently it was 1238 01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:31,519 down there you don't think about the 1239 01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:34,160 size well nuclear power station is 1240 01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,920 everywhere oh okay there was a rumor 1241 01:02:41,319 --> 01:02:38,960 Pope says there was a rumor that there 1242 01:02:43,450 --> 01:02:41,329 was a radiation leak that had something 1243 01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:43,460 to do with some of this which was just a 1244 01:02:47,289 --> 01:02:44,960 rumor and and just it still wouldn't 1245 01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:47,299 explain what was going on you know more 1246 01:02:56,769 --> 01:02:54,880 qualified credible military people have 1247 01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,779 seen strange objects come over and 1248 01:02:59,859 --> 01:02:58,160 sometimes they've lasted there for 1249 01:03:01,690 --> 01:02:59,869 several minutes and then you know 1250 01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:01,700 everybody goes crazy they scramble Jets 1251 01:03:07,539 --> 01:03:04,249 and then when it's over they say oh by 1252 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:07,549 the way this is just a test just to test 1253 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:10,130 the stress level in soldiers and by the 1254 01:03:14,229 --> 01:03:12,410 way don't say anything about it and 1255 01:03:16,450 --> 01:03:14,239 sometimes people who are then sent away 1256 01:03:18,370 --> 01:03:16,460 you know to other bases where they can't 1257 01:03:20,890 --> 01:03:18,380 talk to each other so that's kind of a 1258 01:03:22,479 --> 01:03:20,900 standard operating procedure to say well 1259 01:03:24,430 --> 01:03:22,489 by the way we really don't know what the 1260 01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:24,440 hell happened but we're gonna say it's 1261 01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:30,049 just some kind of a test yeah not even 1262 01:03:33,660 --> 01:03:32,809 in their deathbed right that's the part 1263 01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,670 that cracks me up 1264 01:03:39,279 --> 01:03:36,319 all these people sworn to secrecy all 1265 01:03:41,229 --> 01:03:39,289 these individuals in them well that's 1266 01:03:43,630 --> 01:03:41,239 true because sometimes people finally 1267 01:03:45,849 --> 01:03:43,640 you know when they're like 40 years 1268 01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:45,859 later they're interviewed and they think 1269 01:03:51,279 --> 01:03:48,319 well it's okay now I can talk about what 1270 01:03:53,259 --> 01:03:51,289 happened they kept it because of they 1271 01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:53,269 they were threatened and the level of 1272 01:03:56,859 --> 01:03:55,369 secrecy and so forth they didn't say 1273 01:03:57,969 --> 01:03:56,869 anything about it for decades and a lot 1274 01:04:02,019 --> 01:03:57,979 of times had you given to tell their own 1275 01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:02,029 families it's amazing it's amazing a 1276 01:04:23,130 --> 01:04:20,610 you just don't keep quiet it's not human 1277 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:23,140 nature to keep that got something 1278 01:04:31,020 --> 01:04:28,690 without something really ugly you do 1279 01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:31,030 find a way get your stuff out I presume 1280 01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:34,600 you know that always finally say in the 1281 01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:38,320 highly unlikely event a lot death read 1282 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:44,950 this I mean the influence of some kind 1283 01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:48,370 of euphoric substance but I have my 1284 01:04:52,980 --> 01:04:50,080 wisdom teeth taken out and I was talking 1285 01:04:58,260 --> 01:04:52,990 about all kinds of things 1286 01:05:01,770 --> 01:04:58,270 [Laughter] 1287 01:05:03,150 --> 01:05:01,780 the surgeon and and and I remember kind 1288 01:05:05,250 --> 01:05:03,160 of being under oath and saying you know 1289 01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:05,260 when I went in the Navy that yucky 1290 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:08,500 you're talking to sleep I go no no we're 1291 01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:10,330 talking my sleep I'll talk you know 1292 01:05:29,790 --> 01:05:11,860 under the influence of novocaine or 1293 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:29,800 anything or nitrous oxide as well they 1294 01:05:35,610 --> 01:05:33,010 were yeah apparently they were they did 1295 01:05:45,140 --> 01:05:35,620 were put under test where they were 1296 01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:45,150 given always it and classic Nazi say 1297 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:47,950 we've got ways to make you talk and a 1298 01:06:01,560 --> 01:05:50,290 table surgeon has ways to make me talk 1299 01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:01,570 cut some have gone through lied to pass 1300 01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:10,480 a lie-detector test drinking Dave the 1301 01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:13,470 sounds of it I'm drinking water 1302 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:17,800 sweetheart there was a backup for 1303 01:06:22,590 --> 01:06:19,330 following question to my whole thing 1304 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:22,600 about the nuclear stuff it does seem to 1305 01:06:26,589 --> 01:06:24,730 be there a strong correlation between 1306 01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:26,599 UFO sightings and 1307 01:06:32,049 --> 01:06:29,839 nucleus nuclear bases and nuclear places 1308 01:06:33,460 --> 01:06:32,059 if you like yeah well you guys think 1309 01:06:35,710 --> 01:06:33,470 about that I mean are we looking at a 1310 01:06:38,650 --> 01:06:35,720 connection here though that was possibly 1311 01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,660 while these things were there it seems 1312 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:41,119 to be a magnetic attraction between you 1313 01:06:49,390 --> 01:06:43,369 know those two situations the basis of 1314 01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:49,400 any sort and UFOs even the high strength 1315 01:06:53,769 --> 01:06:51,529 just spouses you want to be going around 1316 01:06:56,109 --> 01:06:53,779 you know the different bases and be 1317 01:06:58,660 --> 01:06:56,119 snooping around said hey what did they 1318 01:07:00,640 --> 01:06:58,670 have that we don't have maybe even the 1319 01:07:02,259 --> 01:07:00,650 classic high strangeness areas where all 1320 01:07:04,509 --> 01:07:02,269 these things that's go on there always 1321 01:07:07,779 --> 01:07:04,519 seems to be some kind of a military base 1322 01:07:10,660 --> 01:07:07,789 in close proximity so what came first 1323 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:10,670 that the military presence creates some 1324 01:07:15,279 --> 01:07:13,210 kind of a phenomena or do they 1325 01:07:17,319 --> 01:07:15,289 automatically station them there when 1326 01:07:23,319 --> 01:07:17,329 they're aware that there's these these 1327 01:07:25,450 --> 01:07:23,329 levels of high strangeness going on yeah 1328 01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:25,460 well one of these days we're trying to 1329 01:07:32,109 --> 01:07:28,670 get a alien being on the show I'd say 1330 01:07:35,279 --> 01:07:32,119 look we've been debating this for years 1331 01:07:38,349 --> 01:07:35,289 now what's what gets what's the story 1332 01:07:44,279 --> 01:07:38,359 they're not just maybe you already have 1333 01:07:55,150 --> 01:07:53,259 that's illegal aliens well I ever went 1334 01:07:59,950 --> 01:07:55,160 on that night we're all in agreement 1335 01:08:01,539 --> 01:07:59,960 there's something happened something you 1336 01:08:05,019 --> 01:08:01,549 can say with a degree of certainty that 1337 01:08:07,209 --> 01:08:05,029 something happened not just lighthouses 1338 01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:07,219 or people on drugs and drunk if 1339 01:08:10,959 --> 01:08:08,839 something was physically in those woods 1340 01:08:12,910 --> 01:08:10,969 but whatever it was will remain a 1341 01:08:15,940 --> 01:08:12,920 mystery one of the things that often I 1342 01:08:19,059 --> 01:08:15,950 find interesting is happily has this 1343 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:19,069 particular sighting or any major site is 1344 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:21,650 been linked to each other I mean it's 1345 01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,210 all three sides are out there are we 1346 01:08:26,919 --> 01:08:24,799 always talking about different aliens 1347 01:08:28,599 --> 01:08:26,929 from different places on all these 1348 01:08:31,599 --> 01:08:28,609 different occasions or either the same 1349 01:08:35,649 --> 01:08:31,609 guys turning up time and again well 1350 01:08:39,010 --> 01:08:35,659 that's from the future don't-don't-don't 1351 01:08:39,459 --> 01:08:39,020 I think if you did a plot like you know 1352 01:08:41,919 --> 01:08:39,469 that's 1353 01:08:44,559 --> 01:08:41,929 50,000 foot view of a plot where these 1354 01:08:48,099 --> 01:08:44,569 instances happen and then you you draw 1355 01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:48,109 these these lines from incident location 1356 01:08:55,059 --> 01:08:51,679 to instant location it it plots out some 1357 01:08:58,539 --> 01:08:55,069 kind of geometric pattern and things 1358 01:09:02,019 --> 01:08:58,549 like that where it its lead we entertain 1359 01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,029 the idea that there is a a distinct 1360 01:09:11,169 --> 01:09:05,359 relationship between these events or 1361 01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:11,179 these geological artifacts or these 1362 01:09:18,219 --> 01:09:16,880 hotspot radiation locations and in that 1363 01:09:19,390 --> 01:09:18,229 in they're measuring from they're 1364 01:09:21,099 --> 01:09:19,400 plotting it out from point to point 1365 01:09:25,589 --> 01:09:21,109 around the globe and said look at this 1366 01:09:28,169 --> 01:09:25,599 it's like it's it represents a perfect 1367 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:28,179 diamond shape or whatever it might be 1368 01:09:36,489 --> 01:09:33,409 and all with just random sites I know 1369 01:09:38,549 --> 01:09:36,499 that they are obviously specific well is 1370 01:09:40,989 --> 01:09:38,559 interesting about the the way that the 1371 01:09:43,149 --> 01:09:40,999 humanoids are the occupants or whatever 1372 01:09:44,979 --> 01:09:43,159 look because we taught today all the 1373 01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:44,989 time about the greys you know and how 1374 01:09:48,759 --> 01:09:46,909 predominant they are well they didn't 1375 01:09:53,379 --> 01:09:48,769 really show up and mass until about the 1376 01:09:56,620 --> 01:09:53,389 1980s if you go back to the late 40s 50 1377 01:09:58,330 --> 01:09:56,630 60 70 s the humouring encounters were 1378 01:10:00,640 --> 01:09:58,340 very different it was very very 1379 01:10:02,109 --> 01:10:00,650 difficult to find a gray and any of that 1380 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:02,119 although they didn't show up once in a 1381 01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:08,449 while we had an incredible variety I do 1382 01:10:12,219 --> 01:10:10,070 remember reading someone I could be 1383 01:10:14,049 --> 01:10:12,229 wrong on this that the first time the 1384 01:10:16,689 --> 01:10:14,059 aliens are described as degrades as we 1385 01:10:17,949 --> 01:10:16,699 now see them was which Treves communion 1386 01:10:19,629 --> 01:10:17,959 book that was the first time we were 1387 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:19,639 given that description and it seems have 1388 01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:22,010 expanded out from that point yes 1389 01:10:26,169 --> 01:10:24,169 although you can you could probably find 1390 01:10:27,759 --> 01:10:26,179 a few that that's Betty and Barney Hill 1391 01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:27,769 aliens really weren't courageous they 1392 01:10:31,689 --> 01:10:29,030 were something a little bit different 1393 01:10:33,729 --> 01:10:31,699 it's almost like the if you were to draw 1394 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:33,739 a caricature or up the Betty and Barney 1395 01:10:38,379 --> 01:10:36,650 Hill aliens were to create an Android it 1396 01:10:39,489 --> 01:10:38,389 would look something like a gray but yes 1397 01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,499 you're right that's kind of when it 1398 01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,840 really first came in or at least came 1399 01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:43,760 into the public consciousness but if you 1400 01:10:49,129 --> 01:10:46,550 go back to oh heck David Webb wrote a 1401 01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:49,139 book called 1973 you're the human 1402 01:10:54,530 --> 01:10:52,260 you have this great wave of landings and 1403 01:10:56,899 --> 01:10:54,540 humanoid encounters in North America and 1404 01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:56,909 you can't find a gray in any of those 1405 01:11:01,609 --> 01:10:58,739 you find the number the Pascagoula 1406 01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:01,619 aliens are kind of like silver androids 1407 01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,369 and so forth and that you know the a lot 1408 01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:07,199 of little men in silver suits and so 1409 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:09,300 forth but they really didn't look like 1410 01:11:13,939 --> 01:11:12,090 greys so much and you even had the sort 1411 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:13,949 of the Nordic types and I'm not 1412 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:15,570 necessarily talking about the contact 1413 01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:17,130 he's either which were got pretty 1414 01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:19,290 fanciful but it's interesting because 1415 01:11:22,810 --> 01:11:21,719 some people like John keel the author of 1416 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:22,820 the Mothman Prophecies 1417 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:25,050 suspected that something else might be 1418 01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:27,690 going on and that there might be a bit 1419 01:11:33,109 --> 01:11:30,480 of a deception or facade and that you 1420 01:11:35,570 --> 01:11:33,119 know the the appearance of the so-called 1421 01:11:37,879 --> 01:11:35,580 aliens and sometimes even the craft 1422 01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:37,889 because they're all different to when 1423 01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:40,710 you get down to the detail that it might 1424 01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:44,310 be more of a projection or deception to 1425 01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,409 some degree and we're not actually 1426 01:11:50,660 --> 01:11:49,440 seeing what's going on actually I tell 1427 01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:50,670 you a little story what John killed the 1428 01:11:54,169 --> 01:11:52,260 Sun and solar cells but it's downright 1429 01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:54,179 crazy but I do think there's something 1430 01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:54,840 to that 1431 01:11:57,740 --> 01:11:56,699 I've always been dependent on personal 1432 01:12:00,320 --> 01:11:57,750 stuff it always know the opinion of 1433 01:12:02,540 --> 01:12:00,330 these things appear as we want them to 1434 01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:02,550 appear they don't know another identity 1435 01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,409 themselves but they adhere to what we 1436 01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:06,840 want to see well then again taught 1437 01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,250 myself I've done in the past I written a 1438 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:10,560 book this is a collection of witchcraft 1439 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:12,570 magic actual real spells from the 1440 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:14,489 eighteen hundred's from the UK it was 1441 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:16,530 published last year and I was going for 1442 01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,090 a lot of old folklore books from the 1443 01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:20,400 1800's and early 1900s 1444 01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:22,290 looking for the tales of witchcraft 1445 01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:23,820 obviously but also I came across all 1446 01:12:28,490 --> 01:12:26,310 sorts of stories of things like elves 1447 01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:28,500 and Pixies and strange creatures in the 1448 01:12:32,810 --> 01:12:30,360 woods and that kind of thing that to 1449 01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:32,820 sort of Victorian eyes fit in the 1450 01:12:37,820 --> 01:12:35,550 description of of say an elf or a PC or 1451 01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:37,830 all those kinds of things but we would 1452 01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,239 probably see more than there looking 1453 01:12:42,109 --> 01:12:41,040 like aliens again some described as 1454 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:42,119 being small fears 1455 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:44,130 tall willowy figures these were other 1456 01:12:48,109 --> 01:12:45,690 whips kind of things seen in the woods 1457 01:12:51,109 --> 01:12:48,119 and forests around the UK how they were 1458 01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:51,119 being described fitted you know their 1459 01:12:54,919 --> 01:12:53,310 minds of how they saw these things but 1460 01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:54,929 they're probably if we were seeing them 1461 01:12:58,580 --> 01:12:56,820 now we'd probably go towards the more 1462 01:12:59,299 --> 01:12:58,590 than idea of sort of aliens from other 1463 01:13:01,399 --> 01:12:59,309 reality 1464 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:01,409 as how we'd see them so I've definitely 1465 01:13:05,569 --> 01:13:03,570 think we are looking at things that 1466 01:13:07,459 --> 01:13:05,579 present themselves either deliberately 1467 01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,469 or because it's how our minds work 1468 01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:09,360 differently depending on who you are on 1469 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:11,070 your belief system your mindset and what 1470 01:13:16,430 --> 01:13:13,650 you see but everyone is saying the vast 1471 01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:16,440 variety of alien space prophets but 1472 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:17,820 you've been seen the different shapes 1473 01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:19,770 and forms and sizes and colors each 1474 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:22,440 section means weird me it's all visited 1475 01:13:27,649 --> 01:13:25,170 by thousands of different races all the 1476 01:13:30,049 --> 01:13:27,659 same time more or less or it is the same 1477 01:13:32,629 --> 01:13:30,059 one thing that just appears differently 1478 01:13:34,549 --> 01:13:32,639 depending on who the observer is well 1479 01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,559 that's that's right and Sir Arthur Conan 1480 01:13:38,839 --> 01:13:36,960 Doyle of course we know is the author of 1481 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:38,849 Sherlock Holmes was one of the original 1482 01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:41,010 paranormal investigators he wrote a book 1483 01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:43,230 called the world of the fairies and then 1484 01:13:47,569 --> 01:13:45,420 there he says and he firmly believed in 1485 01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:47,579 the experiences that people were seeing 1486 01:13:52,490 --> 01:13:49,230 the fairies and the little people and so 1487 01:13:56,330 --> 01:13:52,500 forth but he said that the appearance of 1488 01:13:58,939 --> 01:13:56,340 the fairies were largely dependent on 1489 01:14:01,330 --> 01:13:58,949 the person viewing them it sounded just 1490 01:14:04,669 --> 01:14:01,340 like John keel from a hundred years ago 1491 01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:04,679 exactly definitely things uh and if you 1492 01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:06,329 also brought up the you know Jacques 1493 01:14:11,959 --> 01:14:08,940 Vallee of course talked about in 1494 01:14:13,939 --> 01:14:11,969 passport to Magana you go back to you 1495 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:13,949 know which is well actually the fairies 1496 01:14:17,839 --> 01:14:16,050 you know if you if you took some of the 1497 01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:17,849 descriptions of the fairies took away 1498 01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:19,110 that little we're in half and put them 1499 01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:20,940 on a solar suit on them they would look 1500 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:23,699 identical to some of the UFO felons but 1501 01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:25,530 they would dance around the fairy rings 1502 01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:28,110 and then you know you get into the 1960s 1503 01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:30,329 you had something we call saucer nests 1504 01:14:35,149 --> 01:14:32,940 and now we get the crop circles which a 1505 01:14:38,029 --> 01:14:35,159 lot of those who have ensuring human 1506 01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:38,039 done by humans but you have this in 1507 01:14:42,919 --> 01:14:41,369 course the missing time missing time we 1508 01:14:44,990 --> 01:14:42,929 know all about those with Close 1509 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:45,000 Encounters but the same thing happened 1510 01:14:49,609 --> 01:14:47,610 with encounters with the fairies or the 1511 01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:49,619 little people lonely instead of having 1512 01:14:54,020 --> 01:14:51,960 that unscheduled medical exam you know 1513 01:14:55,729 --> 01:14:54,030 they would be whisked away to the 1514 01:14:59,060 --> 01:14:55,739 underground Kingdom or inside a mountain 1515 01:15:01,220 --> 01:14:59,070 or something like so there's very good 1516 01:15:03,379 --> 01:15:01,230 point it's a very very fast any 1517 01:15:04,970 --> 01:15:03,389 connections there as I come across a few 1518 01:15:06,529 --> 01:15:04,980 first-hand reports of those kind of 1519 01:15:08,419 --> 01:15:06,539 experiences have been taken into some 1520 01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:08,429 underworld and strange catheters that 1521 01:15:12,109 --> 01:15:10,409 were up here and underneath what parts 1522 01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:12,119 the UK that just couldn't be such places 1523 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:12,840 and yet these people 1524 01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,970 describe being quite detailed what they 1525 01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:16,800 were see but again we start to kind of 1526 01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:18,840 mix it other experiences or no I 1527 01:15:22,730 --> 01:15:21,330 mentioned before my professor means of 1528 01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:22,740 what if people have had things like what 1529 01:15:27,230 --> 01:15:25,320 we call the old hag experience or oh yes 1530 01:15:30,020 --> 01:15:27,240 pineco he dreaming and sleep paralysis 1531 01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:30,030 and what they described certainly fits 1532 01:15:35,180 --> 01:15:32,610 in with the classic card abduction probe 1533 01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,190 but the you know what it fits into their 1534 01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:37,440 experiences because it's how the mind 1535 01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:39,270 works when we experience in these clip 1536 01:15:42,590 --> 01:15:40,920 for Alice's you to feel they've trapped 1537 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:42,600 you start to panic and you see all sorts 1538 01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:44,730 of strange things but other people who 1539 01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,590 have no interest in ghosts or UFOs or 1540 01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:48,480 anything you've had this experience and 1541 01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:50,640 they what they describe is as it happens 1542 01:15:53,660 --> 01:15:52,440 how they're feeling it but even some of 1543 01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:53,670 them have said that they don't believe 1544 01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:55,290 and go to UFOs or anything but they've 1545 01:15:58,100 --> 01:15:56,970 have this feeling of strange presences 1546 01:15:59,840 --> 01:15:58,110 in the room and they've having these 1547 01:16:01,880 --> 01:15:59,850 experiences it seems to be talking about 1548 01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:01,890 how our minds perceive the things around 1549 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:04,260 us and so if you're in a kind of strange 1550 01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:05,850 altered state because you're having an 1551 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:07,800 odd experience you see things more 1552 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:09,570 almost like the more real as if they're 1553 01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:11,610 actually there in front of you and maybe 1554 01:16:18,650 --> 01:16:13,110 that's the kind of thing these people 1555 01:16:20,150 --> 01:16:18,660 are experiencing pareidolia your brains 1556 01:16:21,740 --> 01:16:20,160 trying to make sense of what is 1557 01:16:24,230 --> 01:16:21,750 experiencing then can come up with 1558 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:24,240 completely wrong answer because you guys 1559 01:16:27,710 --> 01:16:25,890 know our minds are kind of almost 1560 01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,720 programmed if you like to see faces in 1561 01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:29,520 random shapes that just aren't there but 1562 01:16:32,990 --> 01:16:31,230 yeah rich yourself you're seeing a face 1563 01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:33,000 similarly because you're having an 1564 01:16:36,170 --> 01:16:34,710 experience where you can't move and it 1565 01:16:38,090 --> 01:16:36,180 feels like your body's put on strangely 1566 01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:38,100 heavy the idea that you then think was 1567 01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,540 something sitting on me and attacking me 1568 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:41,040 in common sense because that's what 1569 01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:41,970 you're experiencing 1570 01:16:48,250 --> 01:16:43,950 but it's your mind trying to interpret 1571 01:16:50,990 --> 01:16:48,260 anomalous inputs you're experiencing a 1572 01:16:53,060 --> 01:16:51,000 list of questions he he found that 1573 01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:53,070 people that would have encounters he 1574 01:16:56,450 --> 01:16:54,360 discovered this back in the late 60s 1575 01:17:00,020 --> 01:16:56,460 when he was investigating the Mothman 1576 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:00,030 stuff that people he would ask a lot of 1577 01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,770 questions he found that people would 1578 01:17:04,580 --> 01:17:03,840 experience strange electronic phenomena 1579 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:04,590 in their house 1580 01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:07,170 poltergeist phenomena and sometimes they 1581 01:17:13,850 --> 01:17:09,510 were also prone to may have seen some 1582 01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:13,860 kind of a strange creature so it was you 1583 01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:15,960 know he wouldn't just ask about the what 1584 01:17:21,050 --> 01:17:18,780 you know the contact there was all kinds 1585 01:17:22,610 --> 01:17:21,060 of other things going on rosemary ellen 1586 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:22,620 guiley who you may be familiar with 1587 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:25,890 great researcher in the u.s. she she was 1588 01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:26,730 doing in just 1589 01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:29,490 into shadow people in people having 1590 01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:31,800 those experiences she found out that a 1591 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:34,110 significant percentage of those people 1592 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:36,810 were also experiencing classic alien 1593 01:17:41,810 --> 01:17:39,930 so-called alien abduction phenomena and 1594 01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:41,820 I found the same thing with a lady out 1595 01:17:47,150 --> 01:17:45,510 in New Hampshire and we've talked about 1596 01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:47,160 this often you know people that 1597 01:17:50,540 --> 01:17:49,020 experienced hauntings and things like 1598 01:17:53,690 --> 01:17:50,550 that if you really go into it there's 1599 01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:53,700 UFO connections to that as well yes 1600 01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:56,510 absolutely 1601 01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:00,960 New Hampshire well she I you know I came 1602 01:18:06,290 --> 01:18:03,930 armed with if I had asked her if I had 1603 01:18:07,670 --> 01:18:06,300 interviewed her back in the 60s back 1604 01:18:09,230 --> 01:18:07,680 when I you know thought we were just 1605 01:18:10,910 --> 01:18:09,240 dealing with aliens from Alpha Centauri 1606 01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:10,920 or whatever I wouldn't have known they'd 1607 01:18:14,540 --> 01:18:12,330 know there's questions to ask her but 1608 01:18:16,780 --> 01:18:14,550 she had a she and her husband were 1609 01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:16,790 standing out of the porch they saw a 1610 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:19,980 they saw light strange lights coming 1611 01:18:24,260 --> 01:18:22,530 over and all of a sudden they're missing 1612 01:18:25,670 --> 01:18:24,270 a half-hour time and they're not 1613 01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:25,680 standing next to each other on the porch 1614 01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:27,510 they see one of these like large giant 1615 01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:30,270 black triangles come over so low it's 1616 01:18:34,430 --> 01:18:32,490 touching the tops of the trees and then 1617 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:34,440 she's not able to be regressed right 1618 01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:36,090 away they can't get through but I 1619 01:18:40,190 --> 01:18:38,010 started asking her questions she had 1620 01:18:42,440 --> 01:18:40,200 experienced shadow people both her sons 1621 01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:42,450 were experiencing strange or phenomena 1622 01:18:45,980 --> 01:18:44,550 in and out of the house and then I asked 1623 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:45,990 her I said look I know this is gonna be 1624 01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:47,370 a strange question but have you ever 1625 01:18:52,190 --> 01:18:49,590 seen anything like a Bigfoot or some 1626 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:52,200 kind of a undocumented creature and she 1627 01:18:57,530 --> 01:18:55,050 said well no and then she said oh wait a 1628 01:19:00,020 --> 01:18:57,540 minute my mother-in-law and sister law 1629 01:19:02,420 --> 01:19:00,030 in that same general area they saw eight 1630 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:02,430 but looked like a panther standing on 1631 01:19:06,980 --> 01:19:05,010 two legs standing by a tree you never 1632 01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:06,990 would have saw them and took off so 1633 01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:08,490 might never would have never I mean 1634 01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:10,110 they're incredible lady and I would have 1635 01:19:13,730 --> 01:19:11,820 never have known to ask these kind of 1636 01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:13,740 questions if others had laid the 1637 01:19:18,350 --> 01:19:16,710 groundwork like John keel client 1638 01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,360 experiences may have been suspect or 1639 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:20,400 initial first it was saying that there's 1640 01:19:23,690 --> 01:19:22,410 a history of the strange phenomena in 1641 01:19:25,490 --> 01:19:23,700 that would include and things like that 1642 01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:25,500 you know strange creatures been seen 1643 01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:27,900 walking around the wood two dimensional 1644 01:19:34,820 --> 01:19:32,940 forms two dimensional forms the fingers 1645 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:34,830 walking sideways side on perfectly 1646 01:19:37,919 --> 01:19:36,810 fly-in turned 90 degrees and they are 1647 01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:37,929 gone 1648 01:19:42,209 --> 01:19:40,000 silhouettes turn back again and straight 1649 01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:42,219 like almost like a two-dimensional 1650 01:19:49,459 --> 01:19:44,920 physical being man's wealth in cisco 1651 01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:51,870 now that is fascinating ever there any 1652 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:54,400 any books or studies done on that 1653 01:19:57,959 --> 01:19:56,170 particular aspect in Rendlesham because 1654 01:19:59,760 --> 01:19:57,969 i'd love to go into that well as I say 1655 01:20:00,930 --> 01:19:59,770 of this guy that one officer noticed 1656 01:20:02,430 --> 01:20:00,940 woman named puppy goes far I'm 1657 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:02,440 understanding working on a book and 1658 01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:03,610 that's what the reason one scheme is 1659 01:20:08,669 --> 01:20:06,670 okay excellent the phenomena he 1660 01:20:11,010 --> 01:20:08,679 described as a amazing you know that 1661 01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:11,020 he's collated from people's experiences 1662 01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:12,850 say he's a local and he visits the woods 1663 01:20:17,610 --> 01:20:15,489 regularly and almost like the UFO is 1664 01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,620 well it's kind of yeah that's part of 1665 01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:18,880 the strange floor of this wall is no 1666 01:20:24,510 --> 01:20:20,770 isolated on his own this is one of the 1667 01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:24,520 strange phenomena that occurs here does 1668 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:26,710 that led us to think that maybe you know 1669 01:20:30,090 --> 01:20:28,570 I mean I'm kind of influenced by Joe 1670 01:20:32,490 --> 01:20:30,100 mcmoneagle is remote viewing that it 1671 01:20:34,649 --> 01:20:32,500 might be something terrestrial but with 1672 01:20:36,330 --> 01:20:34,659 all this other weird stuff going on it 1673 01:20:40,350 --> 01:20:36,340 kind of leads one to believe it's just 1674 01:20:42,570 --> 01:20:40,360 part of the morass of paranormal 1675 01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:42,580 activity too perhaps it isn't you know 1676 01:20:47,729 --> 01:20:45,520 something conventional at all well you'd 1677 01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:47,739 be that it's still earthbound but it's 1678 01:20:52,050 --> 01:20:50,230 from if you like alternate realities 1679 01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:52,060 that are around well sure rather let's 1680 01:20:55,770 --> 01:20:54,100 go find alien outerspace I mean that's 1681 01:20:57,689 --> 01:20:55,780 I'll be honest you've got I'm not a big 1682 01:20:58,020 --> 01:20:57,699 believer in not so much UFO time on the 1683 01:21:00,540 --> 01:20:58,030 planet 1684 01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:00,550 I do think these phenomena earthbound 1685 01:21:04,110 --> 01:21:02,110 but there are other reality bound if you 1686 01:21:05,790 --> 01:21:04,120 like over what's people sometimes see 1687 01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:05,800 that has been a more of extreme view and 1688 01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:07,270 I think more why it's just because we've 1689 01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:09,310 accept the idea that we've got spacious 1690 01:21:12,780 --> 01:21:10,840 and other planets coming to us but yeah 1691 01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:12,790 do you think it breaks the fundamental 1692 01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:14,260 laws of physics to begin with there's no 1693 01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:15,850 reason that these things could be 1694 01:21:18,899 --> 01:21:17,620 alternate realities crossing over is 1695 01:21:21,450 --> 01:21:18,909 there any more strange than an alien 1696 01:21:22,860 --> 01:21:21,460 spaceship you know I have again because 1697 01:21:25,410 --> 01:21:22,870 of these things have been reported for 1698 01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:25,420 centuries but not alien space you know 1699 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:27,570 strange ever reported for centuries 1700 01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:30,010 we're very much on the same page that's 1701 01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:32,830 kind of right but although some of it is 1702 01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:35,710 very physical and there are some we're 1703 01:21:40,770 --> 01:21:38,170 probably are also dealing with some kind 1704 01:21:42,959 --> 01:21:40,780 of very physical alien entities in some 1705 01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:42,969 cases I mean there are some cases that 1706 01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:46,030 are just mind-boggling that don't seem 1707 01:21:51,980 --> 01:21:50,100 to necessarily be phantasms or 1708 01:21:53,420 --> 01:21:51,990 something that we are projecting y'all 1709 01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:53,430 know alchemist fully accept that is are 1710 01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:55,260 these things physically I've found a 1711 01:21:59,780 --> 01:21:57,930 method okay Eva delivery or accidentally 1712 01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:59,790 crossing over no doubt about that and 1713 01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:01,500 again we've talked a bit about time 1714 01:22:05,450 --> 01:22:03,810 changes as well I mean those kind of 1715 01:22:07,670 --> 01:22:05,460 experiences we are seeing things of the 1716 01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:07,680 past or potentially of the future if 1717 01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:08,610 your life it's somebody else who's 1718 01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:10,410 seeing it I think there's a real 1719 01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:11,820 validity to those as well I mean I've 1720 01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:13,410 just very briefly want to take a quick 1721 01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:14,940 story which I mentioned last time but 1722 01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:16,920 actually fascinates me a friend of mine 1723 01:22:21,140 --> 01:22:18,840 is a researcher was working in a library 1724 01:22:23,180 --> 01:22:21,150 in London you've been there sort of into 1725 01:22:24,890 --> 01:22:23,190 the early evening working on a book he 1726 01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:24,900 was working on at the time and he said 1727 01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:26,310 he was sitting at his desk in the 1728 01:22:29,780 --> 01:22:27,960 library there's no one else around the 1729 01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:29,790 meet vicinity or something a man in very 1730 01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:31,890 quite old fashioned almost like 1731 01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:34,050 Victorian style clothing just a came 1732 01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:36,120 around the corner looked at my friend in 1733 01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:37,890 complete shock and my friend looked at 1734 01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:39,210 him in complete shock because if each 1735 01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:41,400 one was some really surprised to see the 1736 01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:43,260 other person you see then walk past he 1737 01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:44,820 went past her at the bookcase and 1738 01:22:49,190 --> 01:22:47,460 disappeared and he said this garbage 1739 01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:49,200 does really anything he was there in 1740 01:22:52,730 --> 01:22:50,910 front of me solid and he saw me and I 1741 01:22:54,230 --> 01:22:52,740 saw him we were both surprised to how 1742 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:54,240 obviously each one of us looked at he's 1743 01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:55,530 got quite a long hand he's a bloke with 1744 01:22:58,760 --> 01:22:56,820 the beard long it would look very 1745 01:23:01,010 --> 01:22:58,770 strange to this guy he said the guy was 1746 01:23:02,780 --> 01:23:01,020 in that Victorian style clothing and it 1747 01:23:05,060 --> 01:23:02,790 clearly see me I don't clearly see him 1748 01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:05,070 almost some kind of time sip going on 1749 01:23:08,780 --> 01:23:06,690 this so it's kind of phenomena I think 1750 01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:08,790 it's possible that sometimes these I saw 1751 01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:10,590 with my fingers being alien spacecraft 1752 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:12,450 may well be from our own future and 1753 01:23:16,210 --> 01:23:13,890 they've sort of slipped back either 1754 01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:16,220 intentionally or unintentionally 1755 01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:18,690 in is one one mentioned you know there's 1756 01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:22,140 a lot of theories about the makeup of 1757 01:23:28,490 --> 01:23:25,260 the ground and OU quartz and granite and 1758 01:23:30,980 --> 01:23:28,500 so forth and there may be all kinds of 1759 01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:30,990 factors that we just don't see and that 1760 01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:35,820 are triggering or you know hope you're 1761 01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:38,760 helping to create the atmosphere where 1762 01:23:44,420 --> 01:23:41,960 these things get over so absolutely I 1763 01:23:45,950 --> 01:23:44,430 had a yeah an experience that you were 1764 01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,960 just talking about the nd where you know 1765 01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:47,760 someone suddenly appears and then they 1766 01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:50,850 disappear completely it's at the garage 1767 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:52,440 the local restaurant the guy come over 1768 01:24:00,020 --> 01:23:55,290 took out remember and then we never saw 1769 01:24:00,030 --> 01:24:06,200 it happens what do you think especially 1770 01:24:10,740 --> 01:24:09,060 well I've had experiences like that as 1771 01:24:13,820 --> 01:24:10,750 well as where I've actually seen 1772 01:24:17,190 --> 01:24:13,830 something or bumped into something that 1773 01:24:21,420 --> 01:24:17,200 has been as shocked as all I have to say 1774 01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:21,430 that you don't it's not quite a lot in 1775 01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,650 fact I've mentioned it so many times on 1776 01:24:28,290 --> 01:24:25,360 this show I'm not gonna go and bore 1777 01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:28,300 everybody again but I mention in it I'm 1778 01:24:31,950 --> 01:24:29,890 back you've wanted to see something like 1779 01:24:33,930 --> 01:24:31,960 you wanted to be out there and in the 1780 01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:33,940 middle of the night searching the 1781 01:24:39,710 --> 01:24:36,060 heavens and then you don't see anything 1782 01:24:43,140 --> 01:24:39,720 are you going with this okay yeah I'm 1783 01:24:44,940 --> 01:24:43,150 someone who I've never seen anything I'm 1784 01:24:46,350 --> 01:24:44,950 always looking for something and that's 1785 01:24:48,540 --> 01:24:46,360 why I'm convinced it's nothing will ever 1786 01:24:52,650 --> 01:24:48,550 happen to me you know what I mean I mean 1787 01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:52,660 it's it's like people who go and while 1788 01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:54,370 looking for it but it doesn't seem like 1789 01:24:57,540 --> 01:24:56,230 they ever see it but you know when 1790 01:24:59,580 --> 01:24:57,550 strange things happen to people I think 1791 01:25:01,230 --> 01:24:59,590 that more times than not it's it's kind 1792 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:01,240 of like a surprise you know it comes out 1793 01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:02,530 of the blue and it happens to people 1794 01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:05,860 that go yeah you have no interest in it 1795 01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,840 you know I mean I'll just say real quick 1796 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:09,760 that it's the story of my wife before we 1797 01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:11,770 get married she is someone she barely 1798 01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:14,500 knew what UFOs were you know just didn't 1799 01:25:19,140 --> 01:25:16,780 interest her at all she was driving on 1800 01:25:21,870 --> 01:25:19,150 the Thruway one night and this thing 1801 01:25:25,740 --> 01:25:21,880 came right over right over a calm very 1802 01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:25,750 very bright light and she pulled over 1803 01:25:29,970 --> 01:25:27,940 and it stopped you know it's it's the 1804 01:25:32,670 --> 01:25:29,980 same old story here you know I'm driving 1805 01:25:34,890 --> 01:25:32,680 it follow me I fell over its it pulls 1806 01:25:37,230 --> 01:25:34,900 over it's not I Drive again it follows 1807 01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,240 me and you know all the things she kind 1808 01:25:40,650 --> 01:25:39,040 of hit a lot of the points that you hear 1809 01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:40,660 in light but said the typical UFO 1810 01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:42,910 sighting and there's no way in the world 1811 01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:45,220 that she you know she looks for them now 1812 01:25:49,460 --> 01:25:48,820 yeah you know before it didn't even 1813 01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:49,470 cross her a ton 1814 01:25:57,020 --> 01:25:54,709 that's not in the thing is the people 1815 01:25:58,850 --> 01:25:57,030 who don't really have an interest the 1816 01:26:00,530 --> 01:25:58,860 ones often of the more user experiences 1817 01:26:04,700 --> 01:26:00,540 of as much been years investigating 1818 01:26:06,770 --> 01:26:04,710 don't see a damn thing is I'm not Marcus 1819 01:26:10,010 --> 01:26:06,780 never seen anything you'd never believe 1820 01:26:14,110 --> 01:26:10,020 except they said [\h__\h] no tellin I for 1821 01:26:37,580 --> 01:26:14,120 the first time last year he was driving 1822 01:26:39,169 --> 01:26:37,590 shut up turkey stove in a six-pack last 1823 01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:39,179 year was driving along in New Jersey 1824 01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:41,280 with his wife and for the first time he 1825 01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:43,410 saw a string of lights going across the 1826 01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:44,070 sky 1827 01:26:48,260 --> 01:26:46,620 strange and he wasn't the only one 1828 01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:48,270 apparently there were other people that 1829 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:50,520 in New Jersey that actually saw it but 1830 01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:53,610 he all his life he'd wanted to see a 1831 01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:56,219 ghost he wanted to see UFO never stole 1832 01:26:58,580 --> 01:26:56,760 nothing 1833 01:27:00,650 --> 01:26:58,590 I'm so not the same with me you know I'm 1834 01:27:02,780 --> 01:27:00,660 always looking but yeah just never seen 1835 01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:02,790 and for the closest I came was we were 1836 01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:04,170 down the beach once we lived near the 1837 01:27:08,180 --> 01:27:06,210 beach and we round the beach and we're 1838 01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:08,190 watching there was unusually high waves 1839 01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:09,780 okay we're actually down the reservation 1840 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:11,730 for you guys you know local I know 1841 01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:13,290 exactly what that nice yeah we're out on 1842 01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:15,330 this kind of platform where you can kind 1843 01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:16,770 of look out over the marshes okay 1844 01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:19,110 towards Ipswich woods you know big neck 1845 01:27:26,060 --> 01:27:23,370 and low neck so where it's dusk and it's 1846 01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:26,070 fall and so it's dark and it's getting 1847 01:27:30,979 --> 01:27:28,650 dark let's say and we can see two sets 1848 01:27:31,220 --> 01:27:30,989 of very strange lights coming right at 1849 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:31,230 us 1850 01:27:36,919 --> 01:27:34,050 blinking multi colored lights separated 1851 01:27:38,959 --> 01:27:36,929 by about 20 maybe about 50 feet okay and 1852 01:27:40,910 --> 01:27:38,969 here they come and they're right over 1853 01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,920 the mush they're not 50 feet above the 1854 01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:43,440 my food and and we could see them for 1855 01:27:48,140 --> 01:27:44,880 one time they coming right up and I said 1856 01:27:50,060 --> 01:27:48,150 to Lois Lane I said this is it you know 1857 01:27:54,130 --> 01:27:50,070 we're gonna see it and they were to 1858 01:27:57,710 --> 01:27:56,270 flying in perfect formation 1859 01:28:00,380 --> 01:27:57,720 right yeah they're going to the hospital 1860 01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:00,390 in town right here's a strange thing is 1861 01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:02,850 if they hadn't gone over right over us 1862 01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:04,890 or if you know we just slide them up in 1863 01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,310 the mind 1864 01:28:09,620 --> 01:28:07,920 I would better I'd say I give you $1,000 1865 01:28:09,980 --> 01:28:09,630 that this is the UFO what else could it 1866 01:28:12,860 --> 01:28:09,990 be 1867 01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:12,870 you know well I didn't hear them coming 1868 01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:14,970 you know yet right a certain range right 1869 01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:17,100 yeah if you were out of out of the sound 1870 01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:20,070 range and it's just that flat open miles 1871 01:28:23,150 --> 01:28:21,210 and miles of mush 1872 01:28:25,340 --> 01:28:23,160 right any sorry you said what could that 1873 01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:25,350 possibly be you know and well it's a 1874 01:28:32,060 --> 01:28:26,850 medevac no time to you're just not close 1875 01:28:41,860 --> 01:28:32,070 enough to you know realize oh damn I was 1876 01:28:50,830 --> 01:28:45,330 that you're pissed 1877 01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:50,840 [Laughter] 1878 01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:53,580 well you know where I live here in the 1879 01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:56,460 Gwen Doris valleys you can't say that 1880 01:28:59,720 --> 01:28:58,170 when you're drunk earlier one day I 1881 01:29:03,590 --> 01:28:59,730 suppose right 1882 01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:03,600 is UFO a highway in fact you see so much 1883 01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:06,420 up there on a sky in the sky on a good 1884 01:29:11,870 --> 01:29:09,330 night or like nice clear night we take 1885 01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:11,880 no notice anymore it's true yeah it's 1886 01:29:19,700 --> 01:29:15,690 absolutely true I just noticed you think 1887 01:29:21,140 --> 01:29:19,710 about a UFO just roll over if you really 1888 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:21,150 take a look and it's kind of funny 1889 01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:23,970 because we had a blackout down where we 1890 01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:27,450 were where we live it was during one of 1891 01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:29,310 the World Series game since it turned 7 1892 01:29:33,170 --> 01:29:31,170 2013 of all the times they don't 1893 01:29:34,610 --> 01:29:33,180 electrical blackout but anyway we went 1894 01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:34,620 out in that porch and there's no lights 1895 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:37,530 on and you can see so many obviously 1896 01:29:41,690 --> 01:29:39,930 airplanes flying it's amazing how many 1897 01:29:43,790 --> 01:29:41,700 airplanes are flying at night I asked 1898 01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:43,800 Coco that's once Cobra and I said do 1899 01:29:47,690 --> 01:29:46,020 more planes fly at night he says more 1900 01:29:49,700 --> 01:29:47,700 cargo planes and stuff like that yeah 1901 01:29:51,470 --> 01:29:49,710 why at night you know and there's a good 1902 01:29:54,260 --> 01:29:51,480 chance you're gonna see them and but 1903 01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:54,270 they're all around you and so around 1904 01:29:57,740 --> 01:29:55,860 that porch we're watching these thing 1905 01:29:59,450 --> 01:29:57,750 and and this is the closest I've ever 1906 01:30:02,030 --> 01:29:59,460 come to seeing something and I don't 1907 01:30:04,450 --> 01:30:02,040 know what it was but these this light 1908 01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:04,460 goes over us okay maybe 1909 01:30:08,830 --> 01:30:06,650 miles away we see it go out over the 1910 01:30:10,540 --> 01:30:08,840 ocean and it did split into three and 1911 01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:10,550 just split into three separate lights in 1912 01:30:14,050 --> 01:30:12,770 there we go you know so you know but 1913 01:30:16,030 --> 01:30:14,060 then someone says well there's always 1914 01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:16,040 ladrones and we have seen drones at 1915 01:30:19,690 --> 01:30:17,840 night later on you know we have 1916 01:30:22,510 --> 01:30:19,700 definitely seen drones flying over the 1917 01:30:23,979 --> 01:30:22,520 base and yeah my team is you know so you 1918 01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:23,989 know I gotta say they were probably 1919 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:26,570 drones but we lived near a lot of 1920 01:30:32,140 --> 01:30:29,570 airports right we're right on the flight 1921 01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:32,150 path flower Logan Airport and which is a 1922 01:30:36,580 --> 01:30:34,730 big Airport so you're gonna see lots of 1923 01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:36,590 stuff but you know once again there's a 1924 01:30:41,170 --> 01:30:39,110 small airport near where we live a very 1925 01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:41,180 very small airport that so many strange 1926 01:30:44,590 --> 01:30:42,560 things happen that we've pointed the 1927 01:30:46,810 --> 01:30:44,600 mystery Airport and I can see it from my 1928 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:46,820 porch and you know they'll be you'll be 1929 01:30:52,180 --> 01:30:48,530 like 11 o'clock tonight and you'll see 1930 01:30:53,979 --> 01:30:52,190 two helicopters come fly over land stay 1931 01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:53,989 there for 10 minutes get up and fly and 1932 01:30:57,850 --> 01:30:55,760 then you know in the sticky little 1933 01:31:02,459 --> 01:30:57,860 airport a mistake and that you can't get 1934 01:31:07,780 --> 01:31:04,930 this is in Plum Island Massachusetts 1935 01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:07,790 it's about 40 miles north of Boston 1936 01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:11,120 right on the coast an investigation of a 1937 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:15,920 remote view on a small private air air 1938 01:31:21,970 --> 01:31:18,050 filled out there because there's been 1939 01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:21,980 seen so much stuff going on well some 1940 01:31:26,580 --> 01:31:24,080 one thing all this say it's not the same 1941 01:31:29,110 --> 01:31:26,590 one obviously it's not the same one 1942 01:31:32,979 --> 01:31:29,120 there was a lot of odd stuff going on in 1943 01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:32,989 that one apparently but here I was out 1944 01:31:38,979 --> 01:31:35,570 in the garden one summer said sitting on 1945 01:31:43,630 --> 01:31:38,989 the garden with my friend pod and her 1946 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:43,640 son and we were watching there was there 1947 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:47,650 was a light just over top of the farmers 1948 01:31:54,820 --> 01:31:52,010 couch it's this big this light was up in 1949 01:31:57,700 --> 01:31:54,830 the sky and it was just still but going 1950 01:32:00,100 --> 01:31:57,710 round it like there was playing with but 1951 01:32:02,260 --> 01:32:00,110 it was three little lights starting 1952 01:32:04,090 --> 01:32:02,270 about all over the place right and then 1953 01:32:05,979 --> 01:32:04,100 all of a sudden they just kind of went 1954 01:32:08,530 --> 01:32:05,989 blended into this big lie 1955 01:32:09,010 --> 01:32:08,540 and the thing just shot right you hear 1956 01:32:14,590 --> 01:32:09,020 that a lot 1957 01:32:18,610 --> 01:32:14,600 falls you know releasing slop 1958 01:32:19,090 --> 01:32:18,620 we filmed it oh wow okay yeah it was on 1959 01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:19,100 an hour 1960 01:32:23,380 --> 01:32:21,530 Oh crusted it couldn't have been a drug 1961 01:32:27,970 --> 01:32:23,390 it couldn't be drones or anything it was 1962 01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:27,980 on an old Sony syllabus cyber whatever 1963 01:32:36,190 --> 01:32:32,440 stone-age 1964 01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:36,200 video it was and I ask you guys a 1965 01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:37,520 question I know we only have a few 1966 01:32:44,290 --> 01:32:39,890 moments left in it can I just ask you a 1967 01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:44,300 question after a minute Starling is that 1968 01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:51,110 metric or what do you know can you you 1969 01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:53,090 just in a thumbnail can you explain what 1970 01:32:57,210 --> 01:32:54,560 what do British people think of 1971 01:33:15,730 --> 01:32:57,220 Americans not us in particular but just 1972 01:33:28,180 --> 01:33:15,740 Americans what do you think of us how do 1973 01:33:31,540 --> 01:33:28,190 you laugh we love you come out and you 1974 01:33:33,010 --> 01:33:31,550 what are you saying I should come back 1975 01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:33,020 to New York for the third time this year 1976 01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:36,050 and those in settled so I do like 1977 01:33:40,330 --> 01:33:38,930 America sometimes you do drive me nuts 1978 01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:40,340 some of the theories that you guys 1979 01:33:45,610 --> 01:33:44,000 believe writing but how do we drive you 1980 01:34:09,190 --> 01:33:45,620 nuts we drive on the wrong side of the 1981 01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:09,200 road use funny we do love the Americas 1982 01:34:13,870 --> 01:34:10,880 and America is an absolutely beautiful 1983 01:34:15,670 --> 01:34:13,880 country I know because I've seen it 1984 01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:15,680 still no hard feelings from the 1985 01:34:26,459 --> 01:34:21,110 revolution you don't hold a grudge for 1986 01:34:32,169 --> 01:34:26,469 the revolution you know 1987 01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:32,179 let's face it not sure yeah chips you 1988 01:34:38,919 --> 01:34:37,010 had canoes we had we traveled 5,000 1989 01:34:40,750 --> 01:34:38,929 miles desert to get to you 1990 01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:40,760 yep you didn't have to travel anywhere 1991 01:34:53,470 --> 01:34:45,280 have you ever been over here marine no 1992 01:35:07,990 --> 01:34:53,480 wow talk about that yes and then we'll 1993 01:35:09,459 --> 01:35:08,000 set you up in a B&B right here ask you 1994 01:35:10,359 --> 01:35:09,469 guys the same question then what you 1995 01:35:13,089 --> 01:35:10,369 make it last look 1996 01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:13,099 I love the British I mean and I'll tell 1997 01:35:18,729 --> 01:35:14,570 you why because I watch British 1998 01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:18,739 television what may he's very much into 1999 01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,170 British culture and over here PBS is 2000 01:35:27,459 --> 01:35:23,840 awesome the reruns of Victoria can't 2001 01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:27,469 wait till the next season next Sunday I 2002 01:35:31,149 --> 01:35:29,810 grew up as a kid and I know it sounds 2003 01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:31,159 strange but I grew up as a kid with the 2004 01:35:35,290 --> 01:35:33,170 Beatles you know and the Beatles are a 2005 01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:35,300 huge part of my life as it is I know 2006 01:35:40,930 --> 01:35:38,239 absolutely you know in and that's why 2007 01:35:42,850 --> 01:35:40,940 you cannot you know have any dislikes to 2008 01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:42,860 the British because they've given you in 2009 01:35:47,229 --> 01:35:45,170 my opinion if you want this kind of 2010 01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:47,239 jewel yeah yeah and and not just the 2011 01:35:50,830 --> 01:35:48,800 Beatles but what happened because of 2012 01:35:52,419 --> 01:35:50,840 them you know because of them you have 2013 01:35:54,490 --> 01:35:52,429 the Rolling Stones you have queen you 2014 01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:54,500 have Eric Clapton you have cream you 2015 01:35:59,709 --> 01:35:57,650 know what I mean you have all these that 2016 01:36:01,120 --> 01:35:59,719 that if it wasn't for them they wouldn't 2017 01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:01,130 be out there and you have all these guys 2018 01:36:05,770 --> 01:36:03,920 who as kids picked up guitars and in 2019 01:36:08,379 --> 01:36:05,780 there like rock gods you know dude 2020 01:36:09,939 --> 01:36:08,389 that's they started all that they 2021 01:36:11,379 --> 01:36:09,949 started all that and it came from 2022 01:36:13,089 --> 01:36:11,389 England and the strange thing is is that 2023 01:36:15,399 --> 01:36:13,099 they're in love with American black 2024 01:36:18,700 --> 01:36:15,409 music and over here we had segregated 2025 01:36:22,379 --> 01:36:18,710 radio stations across and these guys and 2026 01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,389 they they they kind of you know 2027 01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,800 homogenized it but they distilled it and 2028 01:36:28,209 --> 01:36:26,239 then it came back to us and that's 2029 01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:28,219 that's a strange cultural thing you know 2030 01:36:31,780 --> 01:36:30,650 I want to first when they came to the 2031 01:36:33,820 --> 01:36:31,790 United States they want to go down the 2032 01:36:35,410 --> 01:36:33,830 Mississippi Delta for crime and they 2033 01:36:38,910 --> 01:36:35,420 want to visit 2034 01:36:40,170 --> 01:36:38,920 Chess Records in Muscle Shoals and stuff 2035 01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:40,180 you know all these things that we kind 2036 01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:41,650 of liked aphid Grantha we don't take for 2037 01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:43,210 granted we've heard if I'm in a second 2038 01:36:46,860 --> 01:36:45,070 but what big deal they knew about these 2039 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:46,870 places yeah that's what's cool about 2040 01:36:50,340 --> 01:36:48,850 that whole British Invasion you know and 2041 01:36:52,350 --> 01:36:50,350 our lives wouldn't be the same without 2042 01:37:06,690 --> 01:36:52,360 it you know frankly I don't like the 2043 01:37:20,190 --> 01:37:06,700 food the food is terrible name me one 2044 01:37:21,810 --> 01:37:20,200 british restaurant ever eating out we 2045 01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:21,820 don't tend to have restaurants like that 2046 01:37:30,630 --> 01:37:28,570 we tend to have sort of like Harvester 2047 01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:30,640 we've got a Beefeater but they're all 2048 01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:41,430 doesn't really exist but we have you 2049 01:38:16,440 --> 01:37:59,010 Yorkshire pudding we don't eat Italian 2050 01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:16,450 restaurant Chinese back in 1973 I had a 2051 01:38:21,570 --> 01:38:18,610 chance to spend a couple months in the 2052 01:38:23,790 --> 01:38:21,580 British Isles I had a lot of second 2053 01:38:25,380 --> 01:38:23,800 cousins over there that really rolled 2054 01:38:25,950 --> 01:38:25,390 out the red carpet for me so it was a 2055 01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:25,960 blast 2056 01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:28,750 I got to see Stonehenge and Loch Ness 2057 01:38:33,870 --> 01:38:31,600 and so I had plenty of time again I got 2058 01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:33,880 back one more time in the Navy but only 2059 01:38:37,110 --> 01:38:35,040 for a few days 2060 01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:37,120 Portsmouth I was stationed on a 2061 01:38:43,290 --> 01:38:39,310 submarine and we pulled into Portsmouth 2062 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:43,300 Naval Shipyard so but also British 2063 01:38:49,259 --> 01:38:45,970 murder mysteries are the best yeah oh 2064 01:38:52,739 --> 01:38:49,269 yeah yes right right in 2065 01:38:55,859 --> 01:38:52,749 and you can't be to Miss Marple I tell 2066 01:38:57,629 --> 01:38:55,869 you I'll get some murders now let these 2067 01:39:00,719 --> 01:38:57,639 guys talk but I got to say one of the 2068 01:39:03,089 --> 01:39:00,729 best things I've seen like on PBS and 2069 01:39:05,519 --> 01:39:03,099 really in Adana is the Sherlock Holmes 2070 01:39:07,319 --> 01:39:05,529 series I mean that is it's like close to 2071 01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:07,329 being brilliant that what they have done 2072 01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:11,199 with that series you know they only make 2073 01:39:15,059 --> 01:39:13,209 three or four a year which is a drag and 2074 01:39:17,699 --> 01:39:15,069 now they even doing a name one one one 2075 01:39:19,769 --> 01:39:17,709 you know your other PBS I haven't seen 2076 01:39:22,919 --> 01:39:19,779 any reports of a new Sherlock Holmes 2077 01:39:25,019 --> 01:39:22,929 studies actually guys yeah the guys that 2078 01:39:27,389 --> 01:39:25,029 the team created it and I moved up to 2079 01:39:27,779 --> 01:39:27,399 doing their version of Dracula we should 2080 01:39:29,489 --> 01:39:27,789 be on 2081 01:39:30,839 --> 01:39:29,499 I think sheep are here but it's the same 2082 01:39:33,179 --> 01:39:30,849 production team if you like have now 2083 01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,189 moved on they were the guys who were 2084 01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:36,159 involved in not the reboot of Doctor Who 2085 01:39:41,969 --> 01:39:40,239 but the next group if you like is a 30 2086 01:39:43,919 --> 01:39:41,979 day we started got to back up again then 2087 01:39:46,139 --> 01:39:43,929 he left and Steven Moffat and Mark 2088 01:39:47,789 --> 01:39:46,149 Gatiss took over and they that was I 2089 01:39:51,079 --> 01:39:47,799 created the Sherlock Holmes so they've 2090 01:39:54,599 --> 01:39:51,089 now moved back to the projects oh yeah 2091 01:40:01,319 --> 01:39:54,609 brother you know the man with his name 2092 01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:01,329 aircraft my crop some of the stuff they 2093 01:40:04,859 --> 01:40:03,129 put in and just the way they kind of tie 2094 01:40:06,599 --> 01:40:04,869 the threads together and stuff I mean 2095 01:40:09,419 --> 01:40:06,609 it's way better than anything you'll see 2096 01:40:11,159 --> 01:40:09,429 an American TV you well you you know you 2097 01:40:14,729 --> 01:40:11,169 wouldn't be able to get that passed an 2098 01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:14,739 American TV you know but here some 2099 01:40:21,029 --> 01:40:16,649 schools have a lot of those masterpiece 2100 01:40:24,539 --> 01:40:21,039 projects are co-produced by local PBS 2101 01:40:27,779 --> 01:40:24,549 station WGBH and then over the years 2102 01:40:30,569 --> 01:40:27,789 guys my DNA got altered where and 2103 01:40:37,829 --> 01:40:30,579 normally be watching football instead on 2104 01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:37,839 Sunday that I want let's say Poldark the 2105 01:40:48,860 --> 01:40:44,090 crown I'm not sure resolves DNA one 2106 01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:48,870 that's good as well I was delivered by 2107 01:40:59,390 --> 01:40:57,210 one of them no come to midwives to rode 2108 01:41:01,340 --> 01:40:59,400 around on a bicycle it would be in their 2109 01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:01,350 abuse instead of at the doctor does that 2110 01:41:14,570 --> 01:41:11,570 one that's one nurse in pregnancies 2111 01:41:17,930 --> 01:41:14,580 delivering babies we don't have them 2112 01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:17,940 over here yes we do yes we do good do 2113 01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:19,650 natural childbirth like we did with our 2114 01:41:24,860 --> 01:41:23,010 second daughter okay you have a you 2115 01:41:41,090 --> 01:41:24,870 don't deliver in a hospital or something 2116 01:41:43,340 --> 01:41:41,100 or necessarily you know we've even got 2117 01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:43,350 Midwife severe now but they mainly work 2118 01:41:47,150 --> 01:41:45,570 in the hospitals delivering babies 2119 01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:47,160 actually in the hospital is this only 2120 01:41:54,500 --> 01:41:51,960 time that doctors get involved in things 2121 01:41:56,510 --> 01:41:54,510 like that is when there is a problem oh 2122 01:41:58,220 --> 01:41:56,520 wow we could have done a home delivery 2123 01:41:59,810 --> 01:41:58,230 but my wife was a little antsy about 2124 01:42:01,310 --> 01:41:59,820 that but we didn't deliver them to 2125 01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:01,320 deliver the hospital that is something 2126 01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:04,650 to be ante about because they wanted to 2127 01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:22,290 deliver works require the words ailment 2128 01:42:31,580 --> 01:42:28,770 what about Monty Python funny oh it was 2129 01:42:33,140 --> 01:42:31,590 the best yeah it really is and in this 2130 01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:33,150 stuff you know ones if you can remember 2131 01:42:37,490 --> 01:42:35,490 back up to this gets you know that's a 2132 01:42:39,950 --> 01:42:37,500 good they on you know in the movies they 2133 01:42:43,460 --> 01:42:39,960 may live with unbelievably flying life a 2134 01:42:45,410 --> 01:42:43,470 Brian this movies ever many you know 2135 01:42:47,810 --> 01:42:45,420 keep up with it and if you know what 2136 01:42:49,970 --> 01:42:47,820 they're getting at it's hilarious you 2137 01:42:50,380 --> 01:42:49,980 know it was actually the scene in that 2138 01:42:52,930 --> 01:42:50,390 where 2139 01:42:55,300 --> 01:42:52,940 I was in the cinema with my wife and I 2140 01:42:57,070 --> 01:42:55,310 was laughing so hard I had to stand up 2141 01:42:59,710 --> 01:42:57,080 and get in the aisle and people were 2142 01:43:02,340 --> 01:42:59,720 staring at me because I was la I was 2143 01:43:07,410 --> 01:43:02,350 gonna hit the floor laughing yeah that 2144 01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:07,420 was a distraction so the biggest Dickus 2145 01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:12,110 they were stowed in the guy man it was 2146 01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:14,480 men dressed as women dressed as men 2147 01:43:20,290 --> 01:43:18,080 strolling a guy and they come up with 2148 01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:20,300 the justification Oh lovely throw one 2149 01:43:28,270 --> 01:43:26,000 stone and let's see what happens I'm 2150 01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:28,280 gonna buy some stones and then give me a 2151 01:43:49,090 --> 01:43:37,010 bag of gravel it's about the guys being 2152 01:44:05,830 --> 01:43:49,100 part of the Inquisition walking down the 2153 01:44:07,780 --> 01:44:05,840 sidewalk and his body go away please 2154 01:44:26,230 --> 01:44:07,790 Eric Idle and who was the guy that was 2155 01:44:34,300 --> 01:44:26,240 in Fish Called Wanda besides John we 2156 01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:34,310 love them we just say was the general 2157 01:44:42,820 --> 01:44:36,290 impression in America of the runners 2158 01:44:44,590 --> 01:44:42,830 from incidentally impression of the 2159 01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:44,600 Rendlesham forest incident in America 2160 01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:46,250 you're working you're follow just how do 2161 01:44:48,940 --> 01:44:47,330 they see it 2162 01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:48,950 I think people believe what they want to 2163 01:44:52,900 --> 01:44:51,170 believe you know I think a lot of people 2164 01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:52,910 you know it's just another one it's like 2165 01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:55,610 the it's like the British Roswell you 2166 01:45:00,430 --> 01:44:58,880 know people are aware of it there's been 2167 01:45:01,729 --> 01:45:00,440 a lot of books written about it there's 2168 01:45:06,940 --> 01:45:01,739 been a lot of 2169 01:45:13,010 --> 01:45:10,790 but I think something we had happened 2170 01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:13,020 and you know it's just another one of 2171 01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:14,850 them but I think it's a good case once 2172 01:45:20,450 --> 01:45:17,489 again because you got enough shouldn't 2173 01:45:21,860 --> 01:45:20,460 be out there the bunker of the base is 2174 01:45:25,190 --> 01:45:21,870 out there with the tape recording you 2175 01:45:27,260 --> 01:45:25,200 hear is going on how you know the I mean 2176 01:45:28,700 --> 01:45:27,270 you can't get it's very time to get more 2177 01:45:30,140 --> 01:45:28,710 authentic than that the other than 2178 01:45:32,500 --> 01:45:30,150 having a video or something you know 2179 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:32,510 yeah you know it's not as murky as 2180 01:45:37,310 --> 01:45:35,370 Roswell Roswell there are so many 2181 01:45:39,380 --> 01:45:37,320 different theories it's it's almost like 2182 01:45:41,570 --> 01:45:39,390 getting into the Kennedy assassination 2183 01:45:43,850 --> 01:45:41,580 and how almost for a while every year 2184 01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:43,860 you get another bizarre cinerea about 2185 01:45:51,110 --> 01:45:47,250 what happened well I you know I that the 2186 01:46:01,790 --> 01:45:51,120 best one I like is Walter Walter Bosley 2187 01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:01,800 talked about how his father was and his 2188 01:46:07,610 --> 01:46:05,010 father was in special intelligence and 2189 01:46:11,780 --> 01:46:07,620 claims that that was that Roswell was a 2190 01:46:13,610 --> 01:46:11,790 a branch off of the human race that had 2191 01:46:14,630 --> 01:46:13,620 remained hidden and they crashed and 2192 01:46:17,180 --> 01:46:14,640 they asked for her help 2193 01:46:19,370 --> 01:46:17,190 now that may not be true at all but it's 2194 01:46:23,150 --> 01:46:19,380 one of the better I like that flurry the 2195 01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:23,160 best you know that equals blah blah blah 2196 01:46:30,290 --> 01:46:27,930 to me in once again it's because people 2197 01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:30,300 are publishing books in they and they 2198 01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:31,650 get them published with without them 2199 01:46:36,350 --> 01:46:34,770 being vetted okay now but you know the 2200 01:46:38,090 --> 01:46:36,360 books I've done every book I've ever 2201 01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:38,100 done there's been a public for a 2202 01:46:41,930 --> 01:46:39,510 publisher in New York City and they've 2203 01:46:43,670 --> 01:46:41,940 vet them but the point we like to give 2204 01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:43,680 me a freakin break you know what an 2205 01:46:54,350 --> 01:46:51,930 event didn't watch a lot of this sort of 2206 01:46:56,150 --> 01:46:54,360 publication stuff is a problem because 2207 01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:56,160 the easy to say it's not enough not 2208 01:46:59,209 --> 01:46:57,810 proof right it's not backed up with 2209 01:47:00,740 --> 01:46:59,219 anything other than what the writers 2210 01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:00,750 said yeah okay so well I've written the 2211 01:47:04,490 --> 01:47:02,489 book it's been published yeah by you 2212 01:47:06,260 --> 01:47:04,500 he's like sold like two and a half 2213 01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:06,270 copies of it but that's the thing I 2214 01:47:10,580 --> 01:47:08,730 think things that renders young and Rose 2215 01:47:12,050 --> 01:47:10,590 were as well definitely it's almost like 2216 01:47:13,940 --> 01:47:12,060 you have to write about these if you 2217 01:47:14,940 --> 01:47:13,950 want to be Caesar UFO research or the 2218 01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:14,950 things you love 2219 01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,210 you take your name on you have to have 2220 01:47:21,450 --> 01:47:18,880 your theory and often that's it is 2221 01:47:23,310 --> 01:47:21,460 people have to find new theories now how 2222 01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:23,320 many theories might already exist you 2223 01:47:27,390 --> 01:47:25,210 have to have a new angle if you're gonna 2224 01:47:29,490 --> 01:47:27,400 write a book on the topic so I do think 2225 01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:29,500 people do to add to the story then 2226 01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:31,570 change the story to open to sue their 2227 01:47:35,550 --> 01:47:34,000 own ideas which is a problem if you were 2228 01:47:37,650 --> 01:47:35,560 to try to drill down to the actual 2229 01:47:39,540 --> 01:47:37,660 events of what supposed to have actually 2230 01:47:40,890 --> 01:47:39,550 happened you can't anymore you're 2231 01:47:43,710 --> 01:47:40,900 drilling through science now it just 2232 01:47:45,180 --> 01:47:43,720 fills in the gaps by itself isn't it it 2233 01:47:46,860 --> 01:47:45,190 was even that's the thing is that they 2234 01:47:49,770 --> 01:47:46,870 were and we talked about this on the 2235 01:47:52,440 --> 01:47:49,780 show a lot and Steve is an expert on it 2236 01:47:55,860 --> 01:47:52,450 there are so many cases from the 50s and 2237 01:47:58,770 --> 01:47:55,870 the 60s right bad a mine drawing okay in 2238 01:48:00,000 --> 01:47:58,780 people researchers who are authentic 2239 01:48:01,710 --> 01:48:00,010 researchers and they're not gonna go out 2240 01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:01,720 there at the blah blah blah they're 2241 01:48:05,460 --> 01:48:03,130 gonna go in and look into these things 2242 01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:05,470 they should put half as much energy and 2243 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:07,210 effort into looking into them as they 2244 01:48:11,250 --> 01:48:09,610 have with Roswell you know like talking 2245 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:11,260 about the other Roswell which was you 2246 01:48:15,630 --> 01:48:12,970 know I see the EM base that was there in 2247 01:48:18,530 --> 01:48:15,640 1962 those mountain talk about the Aztec 2248 01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:18,540 UFO crash talking about what he was what 2249 01:48:23,370 --> 01:48:21,250 Steve was talking about the swamp gas 2250 01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:23,380 time Samba shag harbour up in Canada 2251 01:48:27,870 --> 01:48:25,600 where they have like this a shag harbour 2252 01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:27,880 yeah up in Canada where they can see a 2253 01:48:31,650 --> 01:48:29,770 flying saucer down they have it 2254 01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:31,660 surrounded by ships Canadian American 2255 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:33,520 ships and they can see it and it 2256 01:48:38,370 --> 01:48:35,890 disappears you know I mean what's going 2257 01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:38,380 on there you know so look into those 2258 01:48:42,030 --> 01:48:40,030 things that you know really do some 2259 01:48:44,340 --> 01:48:42,040 really good research and to stuff that 2260 01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:44,350 is just thing you know so way out there 2261 01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:47,050 that that it's it's impossible for it to 2262 01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:50,170 be a host and so far it's been you know 2263 01:48:54,750 --> 01:48:52,810 kind of virgin territory so people going 2264 01:48:57,450 --> 01:48:54,760 in there and kind of elaborating on it 2265 01:49:09,780 --> 01:48:57,460 look into those things and enough with 2266 01:49:12,570 --> 01:49:09,790 the Roswell frankly to believe in 2267 01:49:14,940 --> 01:49:12,580 paranormal and UFO activities but I 2268 01:49:17,010 --> 01:49:14,950 don't think we want to believe in aliens 2269 01:49:18,810 --> 01:49:17,020 necessarily right people want to believe 2270 01:49:20,970 --> 01:49:18,820 there's big you said it you don't accept 2271 01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:20,980 Keith Richards he does he's totally 2272 01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:27,870 tell you the truth 2273 01:49:42,030 --> 01:49:39,680 [Music] 2274 01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:42,040 where's come 2275 01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:45,370 where's Cobra see the world if you don't 2276 01:49:51,150 --> 01:49:48,550 ask us that out one you know you know 2277 01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:51,160 you get excited about walking to command 2278 01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:54,280 a cold one and he doesn't turn oh well 2279 01:50:02,490 --> 01:49:55,930 she does said that's the mystery about 2280 01:50:04,170 --> 01:50:02,500 him isn't you know you tell him I'll 2281 01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:04,180 give him a sacred mission the next time 2282 01:50:07,710 --> 01:50:06,490 I will get my hands on him I will have 2283 01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:07,720 him on the train 2284 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:13,170 holy cow we will have cameras for that 2285 01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:15,850 he goes away for three or four weeks he 2286 01:50:20,910 --> 01:50:18,250 calls us when he's going and he calls us 2287 01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:20,920 when he's coming back and and that's 2288 01:50:32,580 --> 01:50:25,840 what time exhaustion flight in an 2289 01:50:34,590 --> 01:50:32,590 airplane he flies over my house it's 2290 01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:34,600 funny because he will call me up he 2291 01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:36,970 lives in Maine which is two States up 2292 01:50:40,740 --> 01:50:39,040 for me and he'll call me up and he flies 2293 01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:40,750 down a blonde side down the Cape cut and 2294 01:50:44,850 --> 01:50:42,490 he'll say I'll be going over your house 2295 01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:44,860 in 20 minutes okay and Al Matheny has 2296 01:50:52,860 --> 01:50:50,530 been on the porch with me and he's he's 2297 01:50:55,020 --> 01:50:52,870 down at you know 500 feet or whatever 2298 01:50:57,930 --> 01:50:55,030 and he circles the house with smoke 2299 01:50:59,790 --> 01:50:57,940 coming out of the back of the back of 2300 01:51:01,650 --> 01:50:59,800 the airplane and making a lot of noise 2301 01:51:03,690 --> 01:51:01,660 and whipping his wing and as one will 2302 01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:03,700 say he'll throw you he'll drop a bag of 2303 01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:11,760 white powder and flour power - flour I 2304 01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:13,840 said a type of British in the [\h__\h] 2305 01:51:19,110 --> 01:51:16,510 right and fly away I mean it's funny 2306 01:51:21,780 --> 01:51:19,120 he's crazy he's a very straight up guys 2307 01:51:23,700 --> 01:51:21,790 a very straight individual very ship 2308 01:51:25,620 --> 01:51:23,710 shaped as they say in the Navy shipshape 2309 01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:25,630 and Bristol fresh but out there man he's 2310 01:51:33,530 --> 01:51:29,970 nuts yeah I say that in the nicest way 2311 01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:33,540 he is squared away that's weird way 2312 01:51:37,850 --> 01:51:35,040 I am definitely gonna get him on the 2313 01:51:44,540 --> 01:51:37,860 show if you listening to this commander 2314 01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,550 Cobra I'm coming for you oh wow I know 2315 01:51:48,140 --> 01:51:46,800 he was tonight but that last minute 2316 01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:48,150 thing came up right yeah 2317 01:51:56,150 --> 01:51:50,250 yes he's on call with you know who knows 2318 01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:56,160 he'll he'll deal I mean he did five 2319 01:52:02,450 --> 01:51:59,520 tours in Iraq flying over Iraq he's done 2320 01:52:04,010 --> 01:52:02,460 you know test piloting test piloting 2321 01:52:06,650 --> 01:52:04,020 thing he test pilots a lot of 2322 01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:06,660 helicopters and stuff and he he were 2323 01:52:14,630 --> 01:52:10,890 sure you know some kind of I know him 2324 01:52:40,610 --> 01:52:14,640 flying over there a few years ago you 2325 01:52:43,220 --> 01:52:40,620 know if you see anyone in an orange 2326 01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:43,230 jumpsuit in the helmet that's him that's 2327 01:52:48,620 --> 01:52:45,570 his pickup girls is never without his 2328 01:52:51,740 --> 01:52:48,630 helmet and face shield and he looks like 2329 01:52:53,870 --> 01:52:51,750 the top got herself up gotta yeah yeah 2330 01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:53,880 he looks cool Tom Cruise which looks 2331 01:52:57,110 --> 01:52:55,650 funny when we walk into a bar with him 2332 01:52:59,690 --> 01:52:57,120 but you know the girl's gonna get used 2333 01:53:02,570 --> 01:52:59,700 to it anyway they gravitate to him like 2334 01:53:10,670 --> 01:53:02,580 like a magnet yeah he's taller than time 2335 01:53:18,230 --> 01:53:10,680 tourism which you may have seen called 2336 01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:18,240 Top Gear what about cars oh yeah maybe 2337 01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:21,900 it seemed really yeah well that's funny 2338 01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:24,000 yeah I know I ran into trouble but I 2339 01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:26,010 mean I watched those old cannery runs 2340 01:53:35,770 --> 01:53:28,050 away watch more PBS Taniya apparently 2341 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:40,610 no I screw it every year okay a passport 2342 01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:42,570 we know we're talking about what are you 2343 01:53:45,950 --> 01:53:44,610 talking about the Pat the PBS passports 2344 01:53:50,209 --> 01:53:45,960 though 2345 01:53:59,660 --> 01:53:50,219 possible to travel how many tote bags 2346 01:54:03,590 --> 01:53:59,670 you have BBC America risk yeah yeah 2347 01:54:06,350 --> 01:54:03,600 that's why what I do find American TV 2348 01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:06,360 driving ups you mad though the adverts I 2349 01:54:12,650 --> 01:54:10,290 mean yeah but there every five minutes 2350 01:54:15,590 --> 01:54:12,660 in American TV programs it's just we 2351 01:54:16,459 --> 01:54:15,600 have a PB I give you have DVI technology 2352 01:54:19,959 --> 01:54:16,469 over there where you just tape 2353 01:54:21,740 --> 01:54:19,969 everything is if through the commercials 2354 01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:21,750 states obviously I'm just stuck 2355 01:54:26,209 --> 01:54:24,330 whatever's on the screens uh it's like I 2356 01:54:27,170 --> 01:54:26,219 haven't watched a Camaro I can tell you 2357 01:54:28,610 --> 01:54:27,180 the last time I'm Lester real 2358 01:54:30,410 --> 01:54:28,620 commercials especially during sports 2359 01:54:32,570 --> 01:54:30,420 games just stop them a little half hour 2360 01:54:36,020 --> 01:54:32,580 later zip right through the commercial 2361 01:54:37,729 --> 01:54:36,030 but because they put personals I'm sport 2362 01:54:40,610 --> 01:54:37,739 having football commercials I like 2363 01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:40,620 really 5 to 6 minutes line what are they 2364 01:54:45,650 --> 01:54:43,770 doing in all this time well you know I'm 2365 01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:45,660 gonna cut off you break a tea break or 2366 01:54:50,990 --> 01:54:48,810 something it's the American football is 2367 01:54:52,220 --> 01:54:51,000 designed for TVs designed for advert 2368 01:54:54,020 --> 01:54:52,230 breads because it obviously British 2369 01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:54,030 football soccer as you call it you can't 2370 01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:55,290 do that you have to wait for halftime 2371 01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:00,000 but with American people going and going 2372 01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:02,250 I mean I hate to say it at the show but 2373 01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:11,810 your American football is a padded up 2374 01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:14,610 version helmeted version of air rugby 2375 01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:16,290 where airports go out there in just a 2376 01:55:21,410 --> 01:55:18,690 little t-shirt and a pair of shorts just 2377 01:55:33,370 --> 01:55:21,420 two big things okay first well you can 2378 01:55:44,209 --> 01:55:36,260 boys then they're just bloody not 2379 01:55:49,130 --> 01:55:44,219 through everything injury sustained 2380 01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:49,140 plane Rafi in my 20 all right I could 2381 01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:50,610 see that but I wouldn't say a head of 2382 01:55:57,979 --> 01:55:52,410 back injury and chakra just doesn't 2383 01:56:02,250 --> 01:56:00,780 they flip over and if they don't land 2384 01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:02,260 right on their face they're on their 2385 01:56:06,810 --> 01:56:04,810 back the size of the net look at the 2386 01:56:16,020 --> 01:56:06,820 size of the net I could kick it in that 2387 01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:16,030 from just a ball they kick it over boys 2388 01:56:24,300 --> 01:56:20,010 it's only our [\h__\h] debts for that bib 2389 01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:24,310 a British rugby all right and American 2390 01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:27,760 soccer they're very very similar they 2391 01:56:36,930 --> 01:56:34,800 minutes before they even get a break 2392 01:56:57,930 --> 01:56:36,940 yours a game for five minutes and they 2393 01:56:59,729 --> 01:56:57,940 get a break from everybody I say the 2394 01:57:04,050 --> 01:56:59,739 word Rendlesham now we're going to have 2395 01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:04,060 to close the show Mike Reitan do we're 2396 01:57:11,419 --> 01:57:08,410 running out of time anybody wants to 2397 01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:11,429 hear this bubbly look boys from America 2398 01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:15,210 bubbly boys from America I repeat it 2399 01:57:23,220 --> 01:57:18,840 they can listen to them on the 2400 01:57:26,990 --> 01:57:23,230 paranormal UK radio network on the Mac 2401 01:57:31,260 --> 01:57:27,000 Moloney military x-files 2402 01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:31,270 capito we've never been called bubbly 2403 01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:38,650 before what is the American English word 2404 01:57:45,900 --> 01:57:42,330 - she's had a few buddies as elf I think 2405 01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:45,910 we've had fire blasts you it really has 2406 01:57:54,479 --> 01:57:51,010 been a good chat little bit but that's 2407 01:57:57,180 --> 01:57:54,489 absolutely fine yeah Irene wanted to 2408 01:57:59,220 --> 01:57:57,190 book some passage on you know some cheap 2409 01:58:03,040 --> 01:57:59,230 airline come on over here well introduce 2410 01:58:06,190 --> 01:58:03,050 you to call BOAC a sterile operation no 2411 01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:06,200 you're introduced me to cobra but is he 2412 01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:15,290 gonna keep his helmet on it's all about 2413 01:58:21,460 --> 01:58:19,280 the helmet isn't it stickers on his 2414 01:58:23,530 --> 01:58:21,470 helmet you know that you can buy in 2415 01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:23,540 comics and everything kids spine they 2416 01:58:33,310 --> 01:58:25,850 stick in place you're gonna have to talk 2417 01:58:44,470 --> 01:58:33,320 to him about his helmet because it keeps 2418 01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:44,480 things more lubricated you boys all 2419 01:58:58,650 --> 01:58:45,890 right just stay there for a little while 2420 01:59:04,540 --> 01:59:01,780 you can catch us again next week on the 2421 01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:04,550 paranormal UK radio network and until 2422 01:59:08,830 --> 01:59:06,170 then you can hear us just about 2423 01:59:12,130 --> 01:59:08,840 everywhere in the world and on every 2424 01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:12,140 platform we're on iTunes very own tuning 2425 01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:14,480 we're in talkative we are literally 2426 01:59:20,380 --> 01:59:17,330 everywhere and like I said the Mac 2427 01:59:22,450 --> 01:59:20,390 moloney military x-files on paranormal 2428 01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:22,460 UK radio network 2429 01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:25,010 be there or be square let's not lie 2430 01:59:34,030 --> 01:59:27,570 everyone that's a goodbye 2431 01:59:35,550 --> 01:59:34,040 all right everybody I understand cheers